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Hello, first of all i have been playing online poker for around a year now and i haven't yet deposited anything. I have lost only around £300 of my spare money so im not worried about that yet.

The thing is, i have always deposited money and usually tripled it within the next hour after deposit then what happened (usually the same day or next day) i go on tilt and loose my whole bankroll. I think my main problem is that at the beginning i really concentrate but later i just get bored waiting for the good hand so i just play whatever im dealt.

Yesterday I've played my first freerolls ever and to be honest, i have played 2 and both of them had a field of around 4000-5000 players and i have finished in the top 50. (I could have probably went further but as it was 4am and i had to wake up at 6am the next day i just started going all in to finish the game. The next day i have used the money that i had won from these 2 freerolls (around $10) and entered a $6 buy in sit and go with 44 other people (45 person sng)

I have finished in 4th place and won around $30. I have then used my whole bankroll in cash games and as usually i lost all of it...

My main question is, is it possible to earn money from mtt's or mtt sngs? such as 45-90 people sng using a good bank roll management?
 
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It is possible, but it depends on what you consider good bankroll management to be. entering a $6 sng with a $10 BR is certainly not. You would have to play really low buyin games with $30
 
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i understand what you mean, the reason why i did this was because the money was from freerolls anyway, i wanted to check how i would do in higher buy in tournaments.

By good bankroll management i mean for example entering tournaments when i have 50 or 100 buy ins in my bankroll and if i loose 20 buy ins, go to a lower buy in level (i've got this idea from chris fergusons 0-10000 challenge as it seems well thought out)
 
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You can earn money anywhere you play with good BRM. I think your only problem would be to stay away from cash game. Maybe cash game is your weakness. You seem to be a sound MTT players, maybe stick with where your earning the most until you can improve on your weakest game.
 
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i understand what you mean, the reason why i did this was because the money was from freerolls anyway, i wanted to check how i would do in higher buy in tournaments.

By good bankroll management i mean for example entering tournaments when i have 50 or 100 buy ins in my bankroll and if i loose 20 buy ins, go to a lower buy in level (i've got this idea from chris fergusons 0-10000 challenge as it seems well thought out)

To get a real idea of how you would do in higher buy in tournaments you need to play a lot of them. If you play within your bankroll and drop down when you lose buyins then that is the right way to go about it. What buy ins are you planning to play?
 
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Right now i want to start with the smallest which is the 25 cent 45 people sng's. winner gets over $3.50 which means if i won 1 in 13 tournaments i would have a little profit not counting on the amount of other times i will most likely end up in a cashed place.

I think this is a good idea as with a $50 bankroll which i have now i have 200 buy ins for the 0.25 which is more than enough but its good for the begining.
 
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also it seems that i deal with tilt a milion times better when playing tournaments rather than cash games :)
 
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Sounds like a good plan, good luck :)
 
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Thank you :) just entered the first 25cent sng, going well so far
 
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How much is your true bankroll? I don't mean the amount you have on a particular site, but rather the total amount you're willing to use for poker, no matter where it is at the moment. For instance, if I've allocated $1000 to poker, from which I've taken $50 out of my pocket and deposited it on a site, my roll is $1000, not $50.

This affects the level I can play at while having enough buyins to maintain a reasonable BRM guideline. For instance, with a 30 buyin guideline, I can play $33 games with my $1000 roll, while with $50, I can only play $1.50 games. Of course, whether I have enough game to play at the $33 level is another question.
 
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SNG and MTT everyone starts on the same level chip stack wise. This makes it at least level. Were as in cash games there could be those who start with Max and can use there big stack to bully small stack...
 
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OFC it's possible but it's a lot of work to get to that point
 
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i dont have any particular bankroll for poker i just play in my spare time and im able to deposit £25 every week (not saying that i keep doing it but that i dont mind spending £100 on a hobby out of which i can make some money if i practice and use a good plan etc)
 
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i've found a problem in how i play, for some reason once i get to the final table and final 5 players i just cant seem to win as they keep raising me with rubbish hands and im just not sure if i should call/raise. Any ideas for this ?
 
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i've found a problem in how i play, for some reason once i get to the final table and final 5 players i just cant seem to win as they keep raising me with rubbish hands and im just not sure if i should call/raise. Any ideas for this ?
If you figure they're raising with trash (stealing), then here is your perfect spot to reshove allin on them.
But really your question isn't specific enough. To get a better answer, try posting some HandHistories of particular hands in these spots (stack sizes (your's & other players) makes a HUGE difference in how you're playing in certain spots (preflop)). 'Typically' you're looking for spots to rrai over active/agg players who appear to be stealing blinds often '&' maintaining a stack w fold equity. 'Typically' stacks aren't deep enough to be flatting raises in late stages (obviously there will be spots that warrant this.. I'm just saying 'typically' as 'flatting raises' in late stages (as opposed to rrai or fold) is a common leak for newer'ish' players (& for some who've been playing for eons).

If you post some HH's, I'll try to give you some advice (or at least my opinion).
 
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i dont have any particular bankroll for poker i just play in my spare time and im able to deposit £25 every week (not saying that i keep doing it but that i dont mind spending £100 on a hobby out of which i can make some money if i practice and use a good plan etc)
It's not as straightforward to determine the size of your roll when you're willing to make periodic or occasional additions to it. For simplicity's sake, since you don't mind spending 100, you might as well consider that to be your roll. Assuming a conservative BRM guideline of 30+ buyins, you're funded to play tournaments up to 3.30 and/or cash up to NL5.

As for your difficulty once the final table gets shorthanded, you can always try your hand at some SH STTs. They don't play exactly the same because the payout structure is different, but they'll give you the chance to learn what you need to adapt to improve your chances in SH situations.
 
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my other problem is once i get over 10k chips and the person on second place has like 5k so im 5k ahead i tend to call people that go all in even though i might have nothing.

Will these habits go away once im a bit older? right now im 19 and i feel the need to get some adrenaline doing this :D
 
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my other problem is once i get over 10k chips and the person on second place has like 5k so im 5k ahead i tend to call people that go all in even though i might have nothing.

Will these habits go away once im a bit older? right now im 19 and i feel the need to get some adrenaline doing this :D

It wont go away if you enjoy the gamblers rush too much. If you want to win tourneys consistently you will need to get this out of your game asap
 
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