GDRileyx
Rock Star
Platinum Level
This discussion started on another thread, but I think it should be on its own thread.
I highly recommend the book , but it is contraversial.
I have to admit, I didn't think highly of the idea that a board would pair more often than cards dealt in a circle. But I would like to know what are the flaws in the math.
But I don't understand your issue with doubling the outs after the flop, because there are two draws. I agree that doubling the outs to calculate pot odds is erroneous, because there is going to be another round of betting, but for determining your chances of hitting by the river, you certainly double the outs when calculating post flop.
I highly recommend the book , but it is contraversial.
No, honestly, it's a real book according to Amazon.com: Play Poker Like a Pigeon (And Take The Money Home): Books
The author is "Anonymous", obviously to protect him/her from those of us who are minions of the One World Poker Order, who claims to be a 30+ year professional poker player. (Hmmm, GDRileyx
From a five star review:
"He offers up a couple tips on how to give the table the impression that you are a pigeon (fish, basically). They include playing a small pot to showdown after raising with a trash hand from early position, accidentally knocking your cards face up as they go into the muck so the players can see the trash you cold called an EP raise with, and a couple more. "
Which the reviewer considers to be "good" advice. This is good. I really, really need to catch up on my idiot lessons.
From a one star review (because there are no zero star reviews):
"This book is the biggest waste of money any poker player could find.
If you enjoy stories, check it out of the library. The poker "advice" is marginal, and the math is simply WRONG.
Several important examples : His completely error-filled "proof" that the board will pair 60% of the time while 5 cards dealt "to players in a circle" will contain a pair 40% of the time. The man clearly has NO grasp of even high-school level probability.
This travesty of probability theory appears on page 67. Read it for a good laugh. There is absolutely NO difference in the probability of 5 cards selected at random containing a pair based on the METHOD of dealing.
He also misstates all probabilities of hands on the flop by simply doubling your outs... a common error from novices, but not one that should be espoused by any "expert". (30+ years, remember)
And of course he claims (incorrectly by FAR) that "pot odds" are based on the number of players in the hand. Pot odds in limit poker are based on the number of BETS already in the pot.
I'm not going to go on. I suspect at least some of the reviews here are shills for "anonymous". "
Okay, I'm convinced. The hell with books that actually name the author(s), I'im going with someone who won't name put their name on the cover.
I have to admit, I didn't think highly of the idea that a board would pair more often than cards dealt in a circle. But I would like to know what are the flaws in the math.
But I don't understand your issue with doubling the outs after the flop, because there are two draws. I agree that doubling the outs to calculate pot odds is erroneous, because there is going to be another round of betting, but for determining your chances of hitting by the river, you certainly double the outs when calculating post flop.
