Blind All In as SS during Live Play?

I am curious of those who play live if you consider going all in blind as ss in the bb as a good or bad idea?

Last week I played in a live tourney at the casino and for 2 hours I was completely card dead. I had 1 ppr, 22 and that's it. Never had a big A or other ppr's and never had a hand bigger than top pair on the board. It was really bad. I had enough chips to go another orbit, but then I would have been blinded out. I was at a fairly aggressive table and I knew I had to pick a hand and shove.

I was in the bb and a very unusual thing happened, all but 1 player folded. The btn limped, the sb folded and I'm looking around at the table knowing I have enough chips to go 1 more orbit but this was the first hand I had seen just 1 limper and everyone else folding. So I pushed ai blind, the btn called and won with his Q9 su, I ended up having another typical hand, 84 os.

My thought was this: It's highly unlikely I will get another chance in the next 9 hands to go hu and my odds of doubling up will be better with just 1 opponent, especially since it was a limped btn call. I had been playing for 2 hours and had not been getting suited connectors, no big Aces and no ppr's.

Thoughts?

I think you were right. The table had isolated it down to only one other opponent, which you say hadn't happened barely at all. Also, even this double up wasn't going to help you that much if you're stack was gone after only one level. You would have needed to win this hand and then hoped for some similar situation within the next 6 or 7 hands or so to get out of the red.

Good news was that you had two live cards going in. I have read a couple strategy articles(not sure what I really thought about them) that talked about how going in with a hand like 84 is better than going in with a hand like A8, just because a lot of the hands that are going to call you are probable to have some form of high cards, including a better Ace, therefore killing that card of yours. All in all, I think you just had some bad luck and probably should have tried making some moves earlier in the tournament, especially if you weren't playing very many hands at all, it would be likely that your opponents would think maybe you finally got a hand.

I have one thought. I think you should of looked at your hand, or at least pretend to look at it. Just in case he felt like maybe folding. I guess make a pre-determined shove instead of a blind shove just so your opponent thinks you looked at your hand and are acting on your cards instead of just blindly shoving. Maybe he folds.

i prob wudent do it in live play

but i would do it online i done i couple of times when i was tilting or just bored and wasnt in the mood to play ov it wasnt on a big table only on micro stakes or a small torney

There's being a few cases live where I got down to being in the big blind with a big blind or less behind (I know, I shouldn't have let myself get into those situations), and just put the rest in blind after a couple players limped to me. At that point, you're in the dead zone anyway and need some luck to survive, and the pot odds are good enough that you were probably going to put your chips in with any two cards, so looking at them isn't as important. I've even won a couple times after going in blind!

i have done it live before once or twice when im very short. reason being, that if i look ill rationalize waiting "one more hand" and end up even worse off. it doesnt much matter what you have, because your either getin called, or if your in the blind, forced in.

absoluthamm said:

I think you were right. The table had isolated it down to only one other opponent, which you say hadn't happened barely at all. Also, even this double up wasn't going to help you that much if you're stack was gone after only one level. You would have needed to win this hand and then hoped for some similar situation within the next 6 or 7 hands or so to get out of the red.

Good news was that you had two live cards going in. I have read a couple strategy articles(not sure what I really thought about them) that talked about how going in with a hand like 84 is better than going in with a hand like A8, just because a lot of the hands that are going to call you are probable to have some form of high cards, including a better Ace, therefore killing that card of yours. All in all, I think you just had some bad luck and probably should have tried making some moves earlier in the tournament, especially if you weren't playing very many hands at all, it would be likely that your opponents would think maybe you finally got a hand.

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Thank You. I have not read any strategy articles like you have described but I would be interested in doing so. I am a chicken with hands like 84 os and although I was getting good odds, I probably would have folded that hand had I looked.

Hambone8705 said:

I have one thought. I think you should of looked at your hand, or at least pretend to look at it. Just in case he felt like maybe folding. I guess make a pre-determined shove instead of a blind shove just so your opponent thinks you looked at your hand and are acting on your cards instead of just blindly shoving. Maybe he folds.

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I like this pretending to look at your hand theory, I gave my opp no option but to call when he knew I was pushing blind, by pretending to look I at least might give him the option of folding. Thank You.

woody19 said:

i prob wudent do it in live play

but i would do it online i done i couple of times when i was tilting or just bored and wasnt in the mood to play ov it wasnt on a big table only on micro stakes or a small torney

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Why not in live play? Just curious to your thought process.

stridsmr said:

There's being a few cases live where I got down to being in the big blind with a big blind or less behind (I know, I shouldn't have let myself get into those situations), and just put the rest in blind after a couple players limped to me. At that point, you're in the dead zone anyway and need some luck to survive, and the pot odds are good enough that you were probably going to put your chips in with any two cards, so looking at them isn't as important. I've even won a couple times after going in blind!

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Nice to hear that it's worked for you in the past. I've seen a regular where I play do this and end up with a hand like 42 os and beating out an isolated raiser with AK su. That's why I didn't look, I would've chickened out if I had looked and seen how bad my hand was. I might try the "pretend look" if I get in that situation again.

woody19 said:

i prob wudent do it in live play

but i would do it online i done i couple of times when i was tilting or just bored and wasnt in the mood to play ov it wasnt on a big table only on micro stakes or a small torney

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Just curious how does one push blind online, or are you saying you have determined your pushing no matter the cards because you always see the cards before being able to act.






As for the blind push I to would have looked at my cards first in this spot,and maybe he folds. I have done the blind push in several tournaments before but usually I do this in only 2 situations, first is I have less than 10 BB and I'm UTG I just push blind and hope for the best, the other is in a late position such as cutoff or dealer or even blinds after I have seen the action, If there is a raise and a couple calls then pot odds would probably be there for you to go ahead in get your chips in with any 2 cards.

I actually did this about a month ago took a hit to my stack with KK and next hand there was a raise and 3 callers and I said Im allin without looking kept my cards capped from the deal, the others called and checked it down and when i turned over my cards I had 23off however the board was A 7 3 6 3 and I had the best hand and quadrupled up

Grossberger said:

Just curious how does one push blind online, or are you saying you have determined your pushing no matter the cards because you always see the cards before being able to act.

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You can't push all-in blind online, there is no button for that, online poker forces you to wait your turn. But what I have seen before is someone say in the chat that they are going all-in before action got to them, but the difference is that online, they don't NEED to still go in.

You had such a short stack at this stage, that you had to push all in, whatever cards you had.

Your bb was a large portion of your stack, so you couldn't really afford not to go with it.