bankroll building advice

soo i am back on fulltilt and am starting with a very low bankroll of 15$... what do you think the best pattern of SNGs would be appropriate? or tourneys? or do you think i should hit up some cash games??? more of a SNG/tourney player personally but any advice is appreciated!!

well I can't this is a good way to build your bankroll on FT, but this is what I did. I deposited $20 and tried rush poker.I played the .02/.05 6h with min buy in ($2). when I doubled up, I sat out and rejoined with $2 again.The repeat that until my bankroll was around $40, then I jumped to .05/10. I was able to build my BR to $100......Then I lost most of it. :-D

i am trying to go w/just SNGs til i reach 150 or so, i just placed 2nd in a 45 5$ man and am sitting in 1st in a 18 man at the moment so hopefully it wont be that long until i start playin some bigger tourneys

$15 isn't a bank roll. You'll be broke in no time playing $5 SnG's with only $15.

i beg to differ, up to 80$ already just from the 5$'s bout to bump up to the 10$ games hope'n to reach the 200 mark tomorrow

*points to his sig*

I wonder if he was here for advice, or just to tell us how awesome hes doing playing with half his bankroll on one table.

Definetley stop playing $5 games, (even though you came 2nd) im guessing you have around the $80 still now after coming 2nd in that 45 man sng, but if you're really serious about building your BR safely without dropping to $0,you should play freerolls for a bit of extra BR before you get stuck in, i built my BR from absolutely nothing from freerolls,to this day i still have never made a deposit (or withdrawal lol) on ftp, if this is not an option for you...............
Instead of looking at your BR as $, look at it as sng or MTT buy-ins,so if you have $100 look at this and say its 100 $1 sng's or 50 $2 buy-ins etc.(don;t forget about fees) decide what is best for you and stick to it. By doing this you enable yourself to have control, i recommend splitting your BR into 100 buy-ins, if its lower than $100 play the lowest possible. This also enables you to know when you should move up or down a limit, once you have reached 200 buy-ins, move up to the next highest buy-in, or once you go down to 100 buy-ins of the level down, then move down a stake. Hope this is useful to you and gl at the tables.

cheddachris said:

i beg to differ, up to 80$ already just from the 5$'s bout to bump up to the 10$ games hope'n to reach the 200 mark tomorrow

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Welp, GL, you'll need it ignoring BRM.

What are the odds his next posts says he's broke?

If you're still want some advice, I'm also more of a sit&go player.
Start with the 1$ games till you're around 30. Then continue with those mixing them with the 1.80 sat that pays 3 places and the 1$ heads up (If you're good at that) till you're around 40. Then move to all the 2$ SnGs, etc.
Do turbo and super turbo games if you wanna go fast, don't do poor BRM.

IMO, your poker bankroll is all the money you're willing to use for poker, not just the amount you have on one site. This includes money that is in your pocket or bank. For example, when I first put $25 on a site, my roll was actually $150, with the rest in an e-wallet.

Also, I'm not a big believer in micro-managing small roles, small being what you perceive as unimportant if you lose it all, which means it's not the same amount for everyone.

So, if your entire roll is $80 and you don't mind too much if you lose it all and have more money set aside for poker so you can use some to continue playing, even if it's starting at $15 again, that's up to you. On the other hand, if the $80 is all you have for poker and you have no more if you lose it all, then you really should be exercising BRM, which means $10 and even $5 SNGs are too high.

Arjonius said:

So, if your entire roll is $80 and you don't mind too much if you lose it all and have more money set aside for poker so you can use some to continue playing, even if it's starting at $15 again, that's up to you. On the other hand, if the $80 is all you have for poker and you have no more if you lose it all, then you really should be exercising BRM, which means $10 and even $5 SNGs are too high.

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Thank Arj, so if i have 80 what should i be playing???? and when do you think would be appropriate to move to 5... and 10$ ones????

You are starting hot, however, you really are betting more than suggested for good bank roll management. I would encourage you to play in games with lower buy-ins so you can weather any runs of bad luck.

cheddachris said:

when do you think would be appropriate to move to 5... and 10$ ones????

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Standard for SNG seems to be 20 buyins. So, when you have $100, that's $5 sng.. $200 for $10, etc..

Dewmz said:

Standard for SNG seems to be 20 buyins. So, when you have $100, that's $5 sng.. $200 for $10, etc..

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Um, no. 40 buyins is standard for SNGs and MTTs. If you are really good at SNGs (cashing in more than 50% consistently on 9 person tables --DONs would need to be even higher to break even thanks to rake), you can get away with somewhat less. Larger SNGs should be treated like MTTs.

Consider the cash percentage: a 9 person SNG pays 33% -- pretty good odds if you have a clue. A MTT usually pays 10% -- but the good money, the money that makes it worth much, is at the final table. The odds are much harsher. Some satellites pay a higher than normal percentage, making them more desirable. Some tourneys are very soft, so if you can survive a couple of hard showdowns, you can cash. The very best online players cash in maybe 15% of the tourneys they play -- but they go much deeper in the ones they cash in than the lesser players. (I'm still trying to figure out how they do that consistently.) So even the best online tourney players lose 85% of their buyins. Think about that for a sec.

For ring games: standard is 20 buyins for NL (i.e., if the max buyin is $2, you need $40, for $1/$2 game where the maximum buy-in is $200, you should have a bankroll of at least $4000. ) If the game is swingy, like PLO, double that. If your playing style is looser, double the standard because your variance will be greater. If tight aggressive, the standard is OK.
300 big bets for limit games. Again, adjust for playing style and game.

Note that all these assume you are a good player who wins at a decent consistency. If you are not pretty good, if you are average, BRM will still keep you playing for longer between redeposits.

BRM is to keep you solvent during the downswings, which will happen. Never assume you cannot lose -- everyone loses at times. The goal in poker is to lose less on your losing hands, and win more on your winning hands -- which plan has a good chance of keeping you ahead by a slim margin. Grinders play more to maximize that slim margin.

The bottom line is that you choose whether to play patiently and longer at lower limits build up your bankroll by staying within your BRM limits, and going down in limit when you have taken a big hit. Or risking more, going outside BRM limits -- which means risking going broke. Whatever you choose, no whining.

Good luck.