Anyone know how to properly analyze this graph?

Hey guys I started playing poker again after a long layoff. I want to be a better player this time around, so I'm using Pokertracker 3 to analyze my game alot more. Any insight as to how I'm playing would be greatly appreciated.

This chart is from November 1st-30th. I played about 23 hours last month at 0.01 / 0.02 and I think I did ok all things considered.

Your thoughts?

Graph doesn't tell much other than you're winning, you're running above EV and your red line is pretty level indicating that you're probably stealing enough.


To analyze your play you need to dig into the stats and ignore the graphs.

NineLions said:

Graph doesn't tell much other than you're winning, you're running above EV and your red line is pretty level indicating that you're probably stealing enough.


To analyze your play you need to dig into the stats and ignore the graphs.

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Which stats should I be looking at?

nice luck, i would kill for some luck, or just break even between the ev line and green line.

see you at the bad beats section when it all comes down crashing with 10 years of storms and lightning and another 2 years of cloudy with occasional showers.

other than that, i suggest you don't move up any time soon, spend some time at this level because as i already told you, you are facing some luck, so be careful.

other than that, in order to analyze your game we need what you can find under details on poker tracker, and post some hands in our Cash Game Hand Analysis.

eat healthy, i would tell you good luck but you already seem to have it.

You do seem to be a tad on the lucky side at the moment.

Your red line is very good (although at 2NL this might be a sign of overaggression) .. people call too much so you shouldnt be trying to bluff people off hands as much.. which may be whats happening with your AllIn EV.

You build big pots trying to bluff and have been getting quite lucky .. meaning thise semi bluffs are turning into the nuts more than is expected.

Whats yout total AF, and then AF street by street?

If its over 3 its too much!

Stu_Ungar said:

You do seem to be a tad on the lucky side at the moment.

Your red line is very good (although at 2NL this might be a sign of overaggression) .. people call too much so you shouldnt be trying to bluff people off hands as much.. which may be whats happening with your AllIn EV.

You build big pots trying to bluff and have been getting quite lucky .. meaning thise semi bluffs are turning into the nuts more than is expected.

Whats yout total AF, and then AF street by street?

If its over 3 its too much!

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1st off I'd like to thank you for the quality response. My total AF is 1.90 but I'm not sure how to extract that by street.

My W$WSF is 45.62, WTSD is 32.53, W$SD is 53.91

IIRC those aren't too bad, but I probably could play a little tighter. I appreciate the insight from those who know how to accurately read/understand/explain this data.

On a side note I do feel like I've been at least a little lucky, but when I get my money in its usually with the better hand...

gnk2727 said:

On a side note I do feel like I've been at least a little lucky, but when I get my money in its usually with the better hand...

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Well thats just it.. it cant be with a better hand because AllinEV is the $adjusted EV when you go all in.

If you regurally get all in with the best hand then Allin EV would be around your W$SD (the yellow line is near the blue line)

If you reguraly get the money in with a worse hand and draw out then your AllinEV would be much lower than your blue line. (and thats what the graph shows)

Stu_Ungar said:

Well thats just it.. it cant be with a better hand because AllinEV is the $adjusted EV when you go all in.

If you regurally get all in with the best hand then Allin EV would be around your W$SD (the yellow line is near the blue line)

If you reguraly get the money in with a worse hand and draw out then your AllinEV would be much lower than your blue line. (and thats what the graph shows)

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So I guess there's a major correction about to happen. I found the other stats for AF by street, here they are:

Oh the other side of the coin of having a wide gap between SD winnings and Allin EV is that you also rarely get outdrawn on.

So when you get it in with AA PF you rarely get sucked out on, when in reality a hand like AA should only win around 80% of the time

I think your luckk may change.

Saying that, those stats look quite good.

What stands out is simply how often you check, how little you fold both combined with how often you get to SD.

So ... just keep at it, but you should see your winrate drop quite a bit (to a more normal level) and you shouldnt worry you are doing too much wrong if / when it does.

Are you, by any chance, playing extremely tight?

Stu_Ungar said:

Are you, by any chance, playing extremely tight?

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Right now 27/15 which is not tight by any means. I'm more or less trying to mix up my play. I'd like to get that 27/15 down to 17/10 but that seems to be a challenge right now.

gnk2727 said:

Right now 27/15 which is not tight by any means. I'm more or less trying to mix up my play. I'd like to get that 27/15 down to 17/10 but that seems to be a challenge right now.

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well that explains your red line (the loose part) but not the blue line.

By definition, if you play a large number of hands then you dont normally have the nuts.

When your red line is shallow (as yours is) this means you are pushing people off a lot of hands.. you win without SD.

Which in turn means when they dont fold you cant always have the nuts because to have a shallow red line and a high VPIP you must be pushing people off hands.

Like I say it sounds like your luck is going well right now and the times they dont fold you are improving to the nuts quite often (which again corresponds to the low allin ev and high w$SD)

BTW dont aim for 17/10 something like 17/15 or 15/12 would be much more profitable. 17/10 is a very passive preflop style.

Stu, thanks for all the insight. Hopefully I can take some of what I just learned here and put it to good use. I'm gonna try to play 17/15 and see what kind of results I get with that.

Just thought I'd bump this thread from 10 days ago to give a little report of progress/regression.

NL2 is so swingy and there are so many 50/2 or 60/0 players that it makes me not want to play those stakes at all. I've pretty much sustained the large gap between expected won and actual winnings. Im trying to play at the 17/15 clip that Stu suggested and I am not doing bad at the moment.

yea the # of hands you've played is completely insignificant.

theskillzdatklls said:

yea the # of hands you've played is completely insignificant.

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Still trending the same way at almost 7k in hands. I need to go back and look at my #'s from 2009 specifically in the few months where I was killing it to see how I was playing at that time.

At what # of hands would you say that it would become significant?