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Thinking about looking at getting a stake. Has anyone any experience in this and would you say it was worth it? My roll has taken a beating recently and even though I'd have to give away some % of my winnings I think if I could get staked it would definitely be +ev for me as I feel really shit to be grinding the $1.50's again after I was rolled enough to shot take at the $7's only a week or so ago. Any advice/experiences appreciated.
 
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I have a ton of experience on stakes, first off the typical stakes are 70/30 or even 80/20 for the staker, but it just depends on your stats. Its a complex process you have to be able to rail your games and keep on track but no its not your money til you complete the stake so be smart.
 
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Would you say being staked is worth it? I mean I feel confident enough to be playing low stakes but I've lost like 50% of my roll recently so I'm having to play $1.50 games atm (which sucks so much). If the stakes means I don't have to spend ages building back up through the levels then it seems definitely worth it.
 
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Yes it is worth it since your br is struggling and hopefully you can build a roll again and go back to games you are comfortable with
 
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I had an interview for a staking site, they watched my game for an hour on teamviewer with skype. it was good, and went well(up 1.5 buy-ins ), but I didnt get it. they were offering 50/50.
 
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I have been involved in stakes since the first online staking site opened. It has generally been extremely +EV for the player because when you are fully staked, you play without any chance of loss to your own bankroll and it is a freeroll. The only costs to you are Time Value.

Many players, both inexperienced and full time pros, have used stakes to build their bankrolls. Many high stakes playing pros are fully or partially staked full-time.

The only bummer about today's stakes, is the percentage paid to the player has shrunk significantly (you have to play for less). When stakes first started it was routine for a 50/50 split. Then Cake/Makeup was introduced, where players owe losses back to stakers before a profit is taken. Then, in the last year or two, average profit splits shifted to 60/40, then 70/30 and some people even play 80/20 now. Also, in order for many new packages sold by players to be accepted, they must include the players own participation (he has to put his own money in it also).

People play one-off stakes for MTTs, series of MTTs, cash game sets (these are hardest to get), live tournament one-offs or sets, and wsop stakes (well, these are the hardest to get). :)

Staking is much more popular than many people realize
 
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I had an interview for a staking site, they watched my game for an hour on teamviewer with skype. it was good, and went well(up 1.5 buy-ins ), but I didnt get it. they were offering 50/50.

Would you have done if it was offered?
 
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I have been involved in stakes since the first online staking site opened. It has generally been extremely +EV for the player because when you are fully staked, you play without any chance of loss to your own bankroll and it is a freeroll. The only costs to you are Time Value.

Many players, both inexperienced and full time pros, have used stakes to build their bankrolls. Many high stakes playing pros are fully or partially staked full-time.

The only bummer about today's stakes, is the percentage paid to the player has shrunk significantly (you have to play for less). When stakes first started it was routine for a 50/50 split. Then Cake/Makeup was introduced, where players owe losses back to stakers before a profit is taken. Then, in the last year or two, average profit splits shifted to 60/40, then 70/30 and some people even play 80/20 now. Also, in order for many new packages sold by players to be accepted, they must include the players own participation (he has to put his own money in it also).

People play one-off stakes for MTTs, series of MTTs, cash game sets (these are hardest to get), live tournament one-offs or sets, and WSOP stakes (well, these are the hardest to get). :)

Staking is much more popular than many people realize

Interesting post, ty. Obviously the downside to staking is having to give away some of your profits, but then if that lets you play higher stakes then it can be worth it. I've just sent an E-mail off to a staker, I don't have much rep in the poker world though (never done anything like this really) so I'll see what they say.
 
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Interesting post, ty. Obviously the downside to staking is having to give away some of your profits, but then if that lets you play higher stakes then it can be worth it. I've just sent an E-mail off to a staker, I don't have much rep in the poker world though (never done anything like this really) so I'll see what they say.

The pros who play stakes are trying to reduce variance and some are trying to play higher than their bankroll would allow. Most of the inexpereinced players who get staked, are taking the money because they want to play higher than they can afford, or do not have any money to play with at all.

I would say just about anyone can get a stake, you just have to be willing to prove yourself if you are unknown, have no stats (inexperienced), or have losing stats. You may have to play smaller stakes than you are used to in order to move up to the bigger stakes.
 
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Would you have done if it was offered?
I would have bitten their hand off, still would. playing with someone elses money would be great, even for 50/50
Interesting post, ty. Obviously the downside to staking is having to give away some of your profits, but then if that lets you play higher stakes then it can be worth it. I've just sent an E-mail off to a staker, I don't have much rep in the poker world though (never done anything like this really) so I'll see what they say.

take a look at badbeat.com thats where I tried. will do it again soon, as I feel my game is so much better now.
 
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The pros who play stakes are trying to reduce variance and some are trying to play higher than their bankroll would allow. Most of the inexpereinced players who get staked, are taking the money because they want to play higher than they can afford, or do not have any money to play with at all.

Yea I read somwhere that Ike solds some of his action V Isildur because I'd imagine losing 500K is going to hurt even nosebleed players. Most WSOPME players seem to have sold some action as well. Is it paticularly hard to get staked? I mean the Staker is placing a lot of trust in both the Stakees skill and integrity so I'd imagine thorough checks are going to be put in place.
 
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I would have bitten their hand off, still would. playing with someone elses money would be great, even for 50/50


take a look at badbeat.com thats where I tried. will do it again soon, as I feel my game is so much better now.

Have you not applied to anywhere else since then?

Do badbeat.com do SnG stakes as well as cash?
 
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honestly,


go on the "other forum" wink wink

and check out their marketplace. There's plenty of no experience needed/inexperienced stakers on there where you can get even as little as 200$ with no cake and a 60/40 split

(not sure how much your looking for, but assuming it's between 400-600$ if your looking to play 7$)
 
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Just looking on 2p2 now and there does seem to be alot of different ways to go. Think I'm just going to have to look about abit and if I get rejected look at applying for a few different ones. Going to have to rely on someone taking a shot with me due to no references from previous backers though.
 
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Just looking on 2p2 now and there does seem to be alot of different ways to go. Think I'm just going to have to look about abit and if I get rejected look at applying for a few different ones. Going to have to rely on someone taking a shot with me due to no references from previous backers though.

The references are important but again, if your looking to play 7$ hyper turbo's, a stake of 400-600$ from a well-known stable shouldn't be too hard to obtain

especially if you have stats to show your winning at lower levels
 
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Is it paticularly hard to get staked?

Much harder now then pre BF, but due mostly to much harder to transfer money around, and not as easy for Player2Player transfers as it is/was with pokerstars and Full Tilt (the two most used sites for stakes pre BF)

But, most can still get stakes if they work at it.

Just remember, it is very important to look at it as a business, and treat the money like it is your own. It is very easy to abuse the money and spend it and lose it in games you did not bargain for with the staker. Do not do this as it will ruin your reputation throughout the poker world on the internet and possibly in real life as well.
 
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honestly,


go on the "other forum" wink wink

and check out their marketplace. There's plenty of no experience needed/inexperienced stakers on there where you can get even as little as 200$.

(not sure how much your looking for, but assuming it's between 400-600$ if your looking to play 7$)

Yea I'm having a look now and I've already applied to one on there, although can't start till summer anyway so I'm in no rush. The only problem with the oens that accept players with limited experience stakers is that I suppose you've just got to watch out for getting burnt (especially when you know very little about this side of poker). not sure how much I'm looking for, I'll see what any potential backers suggest. I want to be enough rolled for hyper turbos $7's 6-max.HU and when I've proved myself moveup to $15's.
 
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Much harder now then pre BF, but due mostly to much harder to transfer money around, and not as easy for Player2Player transfers as it is/was with PokerStars and Full Tilt (the two most used sites for stakes pre BF)

But, most can still get stakes if they work at it.

Just remember, it is very important to look at it as a business, and treat the money like it is your own. It is very easy to abuse the money and spend it and lose it in games you did not bargain for with the staker. Do not do this as it will ruin your reputation throughout the poker world on the internet and possibly in real life as well.

Yea I can see how that might happen. Having a tarnished rep would be shit though and something I have no intention of doing. I think they could trust me not to play for games I'm not staked for as I've only ever played one high stakes game (accidently registered for a $100 game instead of a $1.50 game lol) so I feel I can be restrained enough to stick to only the games I'm backed for.
 
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Have you not applied to anywhere else since then?

Do badbeat.com do SnG stakes as well as cash?

nah, at the time I was just learning cash tables after playing sngs/mtts for years. they wanted 25k hands at cash, I showed them stats for 5k hands as thats all I had for cash then and about 300 mtts/sngs which swung an interview for me. since then Ive run up my own money to the level I wanted to get staked for. I will go back to them in the next few months for another trial.
not sure if they stake for sngs etc, was 2 years ago(I think0 since I had my trial. gl
 
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nah, at the time I was just learning cash tables after playing sngs/mtts for years. they wanted 25k hands at cash, I showed them stats for 5k hands as thats all I had for cash then and about 300 mtts/sngs which swung an interview for me. since then Ive run up my own money to the level I wanted to get staked for. I will go back to them in the next few months for another trial.
not sure if they stake for sngs etc, was 2 years ago(I think0 since I had my trial. gl

gl with that and cheers for info.
 
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I will go back to them in the next few months for another trial

Keep us updated :)

Maybe you'll do better and have a +3bi session when they watch you and they'll take you on!
 
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Keep us updated :)

Maybe you'll do better and have a +3bi session when they watch you and they'll take you on!

see, Im not sure if you're taking the piss or not. but if serious, thanks. the session they watched was right at the start of my learning cash, so I had no clue about position, 3 bet and 4 bet ranges and stats etc. hopefully I know a little bit more now. Not sure if I will do it, as Im pretty happy with the stakes Im playing at right now.
again, if serious, thanks.
 
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lol, guess it was a piss-take then. my bad.
 
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