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Once again some jackazz starts telling everyone at the table what his hole cards are. I warned him to quit because it was against the rules when he comes back with STFU... after pondering it a minute I understood what that meant :mad: and looked for live help at the main lobby.

Being at Ultimate Bet there wasn't live support so I diligently noted the time, table and tourney information and sent it to the support e-mail.

It seems like no one else at the tables cares about this kind of crap.

Should I lighten up and chill or what? I could turn off chat which I've learned helps me focus but it also seems like I'm out of the loop at the table.
 
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Why not let him tell you and have that info? That is if he isn't lying.
 
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Because he will not always be heads up against this guy, and the knowledge that a card is live or dead could be essential in calculating whether to call or fold in a key situation.
 
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Why was he stating his hole cards, if it is to bust out of tourney and all in and let anyone with better hands battle it out I don't see anything wrong with that, I have done it because I had to leave and did not want to sit out as I thought that would be more rude I dunno, however I only did it because I all inned and said I had to go and ppl started asking so I told, If someone was offended I would have stopped. I think I have only been in that position once.
 
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Bottom line is, this is collusion, and I would probably report it as well. The best thing is for them to just sit out, rather than give an unfair advantage. What usually happens is, they end up doubling up somehow, and suddenly don't "have" to go. :p
 
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juiceeQ said:
Bottom line is, this is collusion, and I would probably report it as well. The best thing is for them to just sit out, rather than give an unfair advantage. What usually happens is, they end up doubling up somehow, and suddenly don't "have" to go. :p
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In my situation that was definately not the case I all inned with 74 etc and had not problem telling it I wanted to bust out, but if sitting out is okay I would definitely do that in the future, I always thought that was really frowned upon. In my case I meant no harm but I do see that side of it too. I was on a carbon freeroll that lasted longer than usual and had to get to a cc event, lol and wanted out of that one. I cannot multi tourney :D
 
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Just ask yourself WWDD (What would Dorkus do) :)
 
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You tell anyone what cards you have you just can't show them cause really who knows who's lying or not it can be a stragety to just to annoy and confuse people get them thinking about stuff they shouldnt be bothering with
 
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if it happems in a freeroll....let it slide.....if it happens in a game you paid to get in ....report it
 
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Kottonmouthed said:
You tell anyone what cards you have you just can't show them cause really who knows who's lying or not it can be a stragety to just to annoy and confuse people get them thinking about stuff they shouldnt be bothering with
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It can be a strategy that will get you blocked from poker sites. Calling your cards is a form of collusion and can get you banned with loss of your bankroll.
 
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The best thing to do is to just try and ignore it (or block the chat). But yeah, if it really is bothering you and it's in a real money tournament (not a freeroll), report him for collusion.
 
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Panamajoe said:
Once again some jackazz starts telling everyone at the table what his hole cards are. I warned him to quit because it was against the rules when he comes back with STFU... after pondering it a minute I understood what that meant :mad: and looked for live help at the main lobby.

Being at Ultimate Bet there wasn't live support so I diligently noted the time, table and tourney information and sent it to the support e-mail.

It seems like no one else at the tables cares about this kind of crap.

Should I lighten up and chill or what? I could turn off chat which I've learned helps me focus but it also seems like I'm out of the loop at the table.
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i have been in this spot a couple of times myself, and like you i spoke up and told the guy that what he was doing was wrong, told him more politely than some would have, and he responded in a similar fashion to your player. i even had one instance where i was berated by other players at the table for speaking up about it. but to your point, if im playing for money, i will do exactly what you did. there is no place for that at the table, and anyone doing it has to be pay the price. few things upset me at the table, but this is one of those things that simply cannot and should not be tolerated or ignored.
 
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I play a lot of live action and when somebody is telling the table his cards it can be considered against the rules when there is more than heads up action. However, when i see people expose their mucked hands when they shouldn't, or tell others what they are playing I consider it usefull information on the hand and use the info to learn the strategy of that player. Always be digging for info in poker.
P.S. sometimes its better to be the silent player. Later & gl
 
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drawing4outs said:
I play a lot of live action and when somebody is telling the table his cards it can be considered against the rules when there is more than heads up action. it can be considered against the rules?please tell me where you play that they allow this to happpen. ill make sure i never go. i doubt that any casino would tolerate this. its just wrong. only exception i can think of is if you ask the person what they have and then they tell you rightly or wrongly.
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I try to take advantage of it in freerolls, but it should not happen for higher stakes.
 
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PooffyFooffy said:
Why was he stating his hole cards, if it is to bust out of tourney and all in and let anyone with better hands battle it out I don't see anything wrong with that, I have done it because I had to leave and did not want to sit out as I thought that would be more rude I dunno, however I only did it because I all inned and said I had to go and ppl started asking so I told, If someone was offended I would have stopped. I think I have only been in that position once.
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How is sitting out rude? I would much rather people sit out if they have to go than go all in with crap. One barely impacts the hand the other completely throws off the pre-flop play. And telling your hole cards while the hand is in play is always wrong.
 
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fergie99 said:
if it happems in a freeroll....let it slide.....if it happens in a game you paid to get in ....report it
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It shouldn't matter where it happens. It's still collusion.
 
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i agree with ya, this is collusion and needs to be reported.
 
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I have been running into this more and more on Full Tilt Freerolls as well. And it isn't players that are trying to go out they are stating their hand to state their hand. I always report the chat but dont know what is done about it.

If I get in a position that I have to leave a game I will usually announce an apoligy I gotta go and hit the sit out button, you get blinded out eventually, or I will apoligize and say "Hey I am going all in I have a crap hand someone please take my chips" Usually that is enough to get one or two people to call the hand and very very rarely have I actually won doing that.
 
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What I do is keep all- inning after raises have been made with AWFUL cards. I never say a thing, because it does give an edge to the winning player in THAT hand. It's worth the extra 5 to 10 minutes to be secretly polite. 2,7 and such won't usually catch more than a few times- if that, anyway.

As far as the colluders and/ or smartasses: I track them like bleeding rabbits and bust them every chance I get. It's more satisfying then ripping them (which I sometimes can't resist). Ignorant people can't imagine that they are ever wrong. Fish
 
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collusion

i'm not sure what it means but i have been in the same situation before, people telling what they have, i never really put much thought into it, i never really let it bother me. Actually i never even really believed what they said, I just took it as they were blowing smoke, and played the game the best i could.
 
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.... or I will apoligize and say "Hey I am going all in I have a crap hand someone please take my chips" Usually that is enough to get one or two people to call the hand and very very rarely have I actually won doing that.[/quote said:
That is the kind of thing I am talking about winter. WHen you tell the truth about your hand it is illegal and should not be done under any circumstnaces. Never dump your chips. Just sit out.

Part of the problem as I see it, if you are really just getting out, then only players willing to take a chance on your truthfulness will call you. Everyone else that either thinks it is unethical or a possible lie (i.e. you're actually looking for action) gets screwed when your chips go to someone in a sort of "BINGO" call.
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This is bush league and no one should EVER do it. Every game has rules and traditions and this breaks both. I've played in games where this will get you physically hurt, as you are being thrown out into the street.
 
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Actually according to wsop rules and WPT rules it is illegal to state specifically what your hand is, it is NOT illegal to state that you have a good hand or a bad hand before making a call or an all in.

So if you honestly tell the table during a hand that you are playing "I have A, 6" then you are breaking the rules of collusion, but if you just say I have crap and am gonna go all in on it it is perfectly legal.

And some of the tables I have sat at for Freerolls get more pissed off by people hitting the sit out button then people who announce they have crap and go all in leading to a BINGO style play. It varies from table to table and game to game and I usually take my cues on it from the players I am with. I make alot of notes on players on tables at full tilt since they have that color coding system and a place to write notes and have over 160 people from the past two weeks coded and noted including some of the things they bitch about.
 
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