Am i a jerk for this bubble play?

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Just finished a 3.30 sit and go top 3 get money.
It was down to 4 people i had about 10k. Two players were 1-2k and the other was less than 500.
The short stack wasnt calling anything and blinds were like 100-200.

I just kept going allin on every hand knowing the other people would't call. When short stack was all in in bb he was able to double up. In the end short stack got third and one of the other guys bubbled.

Needless to say he wasn't happy and proceeded to let me know it over and over bitching me out and so on. I said "just playing a strategy knowing you wouldn't call" He also bitched out the short stack. The best was the racist comment "at least I'm not black" (nor am I) and "I'm turning you into bodog for chip dumping" I said "go ahead they will have a good laugh."

Now true i would be annoyed if that happend to me too and i have been on the other end.

Wondering what all your thoughts are on this. Given a similar situation i would do the same again. Get chips when you can.
 
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This sounds like a classic shove any two cards spot. You are absolutely correct to shove shove shove here. And the 1k and 2k stacks are supposed to be folding hands as good as AK here too.
 
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Nice play the other guy just jealous he wasn't in your position
 
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I had not thought about playing it that way . . . . my instinct is to sit it out and wait until they put each other out. I guess it does make sense, though, because even a loss there wouldn't cost that much of your stack.
 
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Great strategy, you played it well. If you want more reassurance, watch the WPT when Elky did the same thing
 
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You might be a jerk, but why not play it like that if you have the stack? I might have let the others play it out on their own, but your strategy is valid. Sounds to me like the other guy is a jerk for not taking the loss like a man!
 
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This is the best strategy. Nothing wrong with shoving in order to take advantage of medium stacks on the bubble. Sure, it might make you look like a jerk, but it's poker.
 
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That is the right strategy with your chip stack ratio.
 
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pretty sure that was the correct play. but..

If you were sitting back and letting the others take each other out then what is the right play for the other guys?

I'm guessing here: the short stack should hold tight and the 2k stack should shove every hand...I'm not sure about the 1k?


any thoughts?
 
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Were you there to make friends? If so, then it's a terrible strategy. If you were trying to win, then you done good. The lesson for the short stack is to be the dude with 20:1 chip advantage at the bubble.
 
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Dont change a thing i play the same way if i had the chips. Nice Job
 
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i dont think you did a thing wrong. look at it this way. if you were short, do you think they woulda taken it easy on you? no remorse! no regret!(james hetfield) your there to win, dont let a crybaby change your mind
 
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This sounds like a classic shove any two cards spot. You are absolutely correct to shove shove shove here. And the 1k and 2k stacks are supposed to be folding hands as good as AK here too.

Umm, unless it was a satty, I thing it would be incorrect to fold hands as strong as AK if you were short.
 
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That's chip dumping and Bodog is going to ban you for sure.

Also, the moon is also made of cheese, and I often please a dozen women at a time in bed.

;)

In all seriousness, there is nothing wrong with what you did.

Strategy-wise I'm not shoving when the guy with 2k is in the pot with any two cards. I need at least 10x someone's stack to get all in vs them with any two cards.

But legally, there's nothing wrong with what you did. The guy was just sore because you didn't play in a way that let him get the money easily.

It's like in live tournaments, at the end people start complaining when I shove even though my M is around 4. They just want to see a cheap flop to outdraw me. Screw them. I'm doing what's best for me.
 
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You are playing to win the tourney and there was noting wrong with your tactics. Sure it is not nice to be on the receiving end but you are not playing to be nice. I would bet the guy doing the bitching would have done the same in that situation.

Congrats on your win. Well done.
 
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I agree with everyone else--you were the big stack and you took advantage of the bubble situation, as you should. You're not supposed to "help out" anyone at that point. When you're at the lowest risk to get taken out, you can do whatever the heck you want, and that shove strategy is possibly one of the best you could have used for that situation. Good for you.

I had to learn that I shouldn't care whether or not people thought I was a jerk--just play to win. I'd rather be a jerk winner than a nicer loser.
 
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i have 2 agree with u guys if im chip leader i would do the samething get the bubbleboy out then u are in the money why just call if he hits then he just double up and then u have 2 wait longer 4 him 2 get kicked out good job 4 playing that way
 
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You played Big Stack Poker. When I'm short, I get piled on all the time. I hate it, but you know what, I can change it next time by winning more early on so I'm not short. The game is all about the last man standing. It's hard to win if you don't take advantage of every aspect of the game, so keep it up!
 
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Echoing everyone else here, you played poker, which is a game that also exists outside of the deck of cards you're playing with.
 
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So if you were the two low stacks left with 6 BB to go, would there be any calling? I personally would call with a Ax or pockets just because I would have a very high chance at 1st or 2nd if I do double up. Tell me what you think.
 
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So if you were the two low stacks left with 6 BB to go, would there be any calling? I personally would call with a Ax or pockets just because I would have a very high chance at 1st or 2nd if I do double up. Tell me what you think.

It depends on your position and also how many chances the player that pushed was taking. You really don't want to double up a short stack that close to the bubble when you have 4 or 5 behind you. If I had A 9 or better I'd be calling if I was a shoe in for the money and in late MP or later.
 
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That's chip dumping and Bodog is going to ban you for sure.

Also, the moon is also made of cheese, and I often please a dozen women at a time in bed.

;)

In all seriousness, there is nothing wrong with what you did.

Strategy-wise I'm not shoving when the guy with 2k is in the pot with any two cards. I need at least 10x someone's stack to get all in vs them with any two cards.

But legally, there's nothing wrong with what you did. The guy was just sore because you didn't play in a way that let him get the money easily.

It's like in live tournaments, at the end people start complaining when I shove even though my M is around 4. They just want to see a cheap flop to outdraw me. Screw them. I'm doing what's best for me.

How could you not I mean seeing that pic of you sitting on Santa's lap no woman in their right mind would turn you down. Just one question about that pic why the hell were your pants at your ankles.
 
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guessing they have never heard of a big stack bully? Well played mate :)
 
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How is this a jerk play? You were a chip leader and you're using chip advantage. And you played it correct. You have 10k and they have 1-2k each? Shove shove shove. They're scared and won't call you easily. Even if they double up, they'll keep folding because those two players are hoping for other to get eliminated. You make them chase for 2nd place. You have 10 and those have 1-2k? I have 27 offsuit, i still shove. don't focus on your cards. focus on the environment. focus on what they can have.
 
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And also, it's their fault for being pussies. When big bully shoves all-in against my blind and I'm short-stacked, I'll call down with hands like K2, Q5, J4 based on how they've been playing because I'm ahead majority of the time with those hands. No guts, no glory. They're the real donkeys for playing ABC NIT TIGHT Poker when it's bubble play. When it's bubble play, you do not focus on card. You focus on environment.
 
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