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Every time i play poker (Texas Holdem) it always ends up as a draw, im not sure if im shuffling the cards wrong or what but about 70-80% of the time its a draw is there something im doing wrong
 
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It would appear so.

Give us some examples
 
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Not sure I understand your question. Do you mean you usually find yourself with 3 or 4 of the cards you need for a strong 5 card hand and you are chasing the turn and river?

If yes, then I think your experience likely fits within the usual odds.

After the flop I seem to be always2away.
 
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For example me and a friend play texas holdem maybe 2-3 times a day? and it always seems both of us are getting pairs or two pairs (quite low hands) and constantly have to use high card which gets annoying and isnt much fun. ive found if we combine our hands we would've had a flush or straight or something noticeably higher
 
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You mean that you are both constantly getting the same pair (33 v. 33) or the same two pair against each other? If that's the case then, yeah, something is wrong somewhere. It should be very, very rare that you both end-up with the exact same hand, so I'm not sure exactly what the problem is, but there is definitely something wrong somewhere. Can you give us an example of both players hole cards and how the board plays out?
 
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Were not both getting EXACTLY the same hand, like card by card. were just both getting 1 pairs or 2 pairs and never anything higher. eg. player 1 jh 6h player 2 ac 8d the board ad jc 10c 2s 7c. we also played 10 games and none of our hands was higher than a two pair, is this normal?
 
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Were not both getting EXACTLY the same hand, like card by card. were just both getting 1 pairs or 2 pairs and never anything higher. eg. player 1 jh 6h player 2 ac 8d the board ad jc 10c 2s 7c. we also played 10 games and none of our hands was higher than a two pair, is this normal?

NORMAL - playing heads up greatly reduces the odds of completing a monster hand, as opposed to:

a full table of players who will see that the average winning hand is only 2 pair - meaning 2 pair is a MONSTER when you are heads up with only two players.

So where you might go to showdown in heads up with 3rd or 4th pair (or even A high) - you will more than likely be folding that hand by the turn at a full table.

So yeah - NORMAL - you will have to put in a lot more hands to start seeing those big cards come together. Sets, Straights, Flushes, Boats, etc are a lot more rare in heads up than a full table.

A very crude example would be a lottery draw. Say we write on different pieces of paper all the different hands in poker and throw them in a hat. Take two guys who each are blindfolded and get to pick one out of that hat. What are the odds one of them pulls out a "great hand"? Now have 10 guys do the same. What are the odds one of them pulls out a "great hand"? Still not great but it is 5 times better than only two guys.

Bottom Line - Heads up hold em is not about getting great hands. You will not have that luxury. It is a head game to outwit, outbluff, misdirect, and exploit your opponent.
 
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Were not both getting EXACTLY the same hand, like card by card. were just both getting 1 pairs or 2 pairs and never anything higher. eg. player 1 jh 6h player 2 ac 8d the board ad jc 10c 2s 7c. we also played 10 games and none of our hands was higher than a two pair, is this normal?
You do know that a pair of Jacks is less than a pair of Aces (from your example), right?

Honestly not trying to be a dick but I'm just not sure from your posts that you don't think that 1 pair = 1 pair regardless of rank.
 
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Every time i play poker (Texas Holdem) it always ends up as a draw, im not sure if im shuffling the cards wrong or what but about 70-80% of the time its a draw is there something im doing wrong

Were not both getting EXACTLY the same hand, like card by card. were just both getting 1 pairs or 2 pairs and never anything higher. eg. player 1 jh 6h player 2 ac 8d the board ad jc 10c 2s 7c. we also played 10 games and none of our hands was higher than a two pair, is this normal?

OK, some confusion here:confused: . If you're not both getting exactly the same hand it's NOT a draw, yet you say it is a draw 70-80% of the time. How can that be?????

Reguardless, what MB said is right. HU is a different animal altogether from "regular" poker, and it won't be unusual for either player to have nothing. Gross generalization here, but unlike full-ring games, one pair, any pair, is often going to be the best hand. 2 pair, you can pretty-much play like it's the nuts.
 
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You do know that a pair of Jacks is less than a pair of Aces (from your example), right?

Honestly not trying to be a dick but I'm just not sure from your posts that you don't think that 1 pair = 1 pair regardless of rank.

^^ I was considering that this is the problem as well. Your point seems pretty obvious, but I guess you never know.
 
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im aware that a pair of jacks are lower than a pair of aces, i might have wanted to phrase the question better but what i meant is there both pairs and never any higher. and i likely am a noob ive been playing for only maybe 1 or 2 weeks. ive just started and i didnt know if it was normal or not Thanks to everyone who answered the question i guess ill just have to get more mates around to make a full table.
 
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Not usually good advice but play some online play money games just to get a feel for the gameplay. But, be very aware that the skill level is totally different to real money games.
 
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If 2 players have only one pair by the river, it is a chop pot.
 
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If 2 players have only one pair by the river, it is a chop pot.

OK this is wrong!

But it does raise another question.
A pair is not a hand. A hand is composed of 5 cards. So it's still not clear from your posts but could the problem with the 'drawing' be that you are not counting the other cards?

In your example the winner is obvious because one of you has an Ace and one of you has a Jack so you both make a pair but the Aces obviously win.

If you both make the same pair i.e. both have an Ace then you have to start counting who has the best kickers to make a 5 card hand
So AJ will beat A9 if the board is A K K 6 2
Far from being boring this means that your kicker card also has a very important role now

Does this help?
 
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