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ph_il
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Silver Level
Im teaching my friend how to play poker online. I watch him play and we chat online about the hand after it finishes. If he ask for advice during a had, I tell him to play the hand out the way he thinks is best and then we discuss if afterwards.
I dont think its wrong to help out and give advice, but doing it mid hand is like you're playing the game. You have to let your friend play the hand himself and let him learn what he did right and/or wrong.
I dont think its wrong to help out and give advice, but doing it mid hand is like you're playing the game. You have to let your friend play the hand himself and let him learn what he did right and/or wrong.
zachvac
Legend
Silver Level
I think technically it's illegal, but I don't see anything unethical about it. If this person is also discussing the hand with other people in the hand, THEN there's a problem. But as long as they only have the information you have, hell I don't see why a friend can't dictate what you do, it'd be the same as you sending him the money and letting him play. Unless the friend is also in the hand or has multiple "friends" playing at the table there's a problem. Note that this however is a cash game.
For tournaments, it's definitely unethical to have a person who's in the tournament (even if they busted out already) give advice on a hand. In fact, it was more than mere advice, but this got people to lose a lot of money they won, there's another thread around here somewhere on that (I think the WSOOP but I'm not positive).
For tournaments, it's definitely unethical to have a person who's in the tournament (even if they busted out already) give advice on a hand. In fact, it was more than mere advice, but this got people to lose a lot of money they won, there's another thread around here somewhere on that (I think the WSOOP but I'm not positive).
CubanaD64
Rock Star
Silver Level
Yes, but they never discuss strategy or plays while they are in the middle of a hand, only if they are folded or in between deals.
jaymfc
R.I.P DJ & Buck
Loyaler
it's considered useless by anyone who knows your game
I imagine there a thousands of people playing , with a friend or whole group of drunks behind them yelling suggestions. as long as your playing one hand , I see nothing wrong with it. I'd be willing to play against two people on one hand.
OzExorcist
Broomcorn's uncle
Bronze Level
I agree with this - for the sheer educational value, aside from the ethical concerns. Let them play the hands their way, make their own mistakes, and ask you how they could've done it different afterwards. Otherwise, they may as well just watch you play, and ask you questions.
Goldog
Rock Star
Silver Level
I've coached friends, usually playing my money. It never works out.
I'll comment "you probably shudda raised there" then the absolute worst card will fall and they'll auto-raise before I can say anything
Or they're just HORRIBLE and experience every kind of suckout imaginable to win the damn thing. What can you say then?
I'll comment "you probably shudda raised there" then the absolute worst card will fall and they'll auto-raise before I can say anything
Or they're just HORRIBLE and experience every kind of suckout imaginable to win the damn thing. What can you say then?
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Marko75
Rising Star
Bronze Level
Are they? As far as I know, most sites DO NOT allow programs that say directly what to do (call, raise, fold). The sole reason why Poker Tracker and PokerOffice are generally allowed is exactly this - those programs do not tell the user what to do, but simply provide them with the statistics (something that you might as well do with a pen and a piece of paper).
zachvac
Legend
Silver Level
Hmmm... I wonder what kind of response I would get if I sat down at a WSOP NLHE tourney with a clipboard and notepad to calculate odds in the middle of a hand...
People would probably look at you funny, but can anyone confirm whether this is actually illegal or not? Can you bring a calculator?
OzExorcist
Broomcorn's uncle
Bronze Level
Hmmm... I wonder what kind of response I would get if I sat down at a WSOP NLHE tourney with a clipboard and notepad to calculate odds in the middle of a hand...
They'd probably assume they were there to keep track of your side bets
As long as your calculator isn't also a communications device, there's no TDA rule against it. The greater concern would probably be someone else looking at your figures and working out from them what kind of hand you're holding.