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If you're playing with someone head to head, say you bet 40 chips, and they call, place 10 into the pot (one out of four stacks) and then all of sudden announce that they retract their call based one my reaction once they called...is that allowed?​
 
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Did they state verbally that they "call"?

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yeah he said he's calling, moved a stack of ten chips into the pot, then based on my reaction, retracted the call, and took his chips back. I ended the game. Was I right? is there a technical term for such an act?

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As far as I know a verbal call is binding. Unless your reaction was to pull out a gun, point it at his head and say "retract that bet or you're taking one between the eyes!", I don't think that's allowed:D
 
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They made an "action" by starting to put chips in the pot once they started their action they cannot reverse it. In a live game I saw a guy raise the pot the next guy say "reraise" and before he could even touch his chips the original raiser say "all-in" . Mr reraiser did not intend to call the all-in so the dealer said he had to put at least double the original raise into the pot and then he folded to the all in. In a tourney that I was in it was 100 to call and the guy next to me threw in 500 chips and said nothing. Action to me... I asked the dealer "is that a call or a raise " and he said call then the guy next to me said "no its a raise" and the dealer said that he didn't say 'Raise" so its a call. I looked at Ax suited in the big blind and ended up flopping a nut flush and winning the hand. So IMO if he said "call" he cannot retract it....If he started to throw chips in the pot and said "no I fold " he is comitted to call that bet. Sorry I felt long winded today>>>
 
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As far as I know a verbal call is binding. Unless your reaction was to pull out a gun, point it at his head and say "retract that bet or you're taking one between the eyes!", I don't think that's allowed:D
Yes, in which case no bet is binding :fight:
 
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so what would happen if you pulled a move like that an official casino table?
 
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if you were to do that at a casino then they would make the person who originally called the bet (then decided to raise) welll they would make him just call the bet....its kind of like false motion...like if someone bets 300 and you extend your arm with 300 in chips towards the pot to get a reaction and then take it back, then you cannot do that...i think with cash games they might be a little looser about it but in tournaments things are done the same way each time.
 
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interesting....is there a technical term for such a move?
 
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In a tourney that I was in it was 100 to call and the guy next to me threw in 500 chips and said nothing. Action to me... I asked the dealer "is that a call or a raise " and he said call then the guy next to me said "no its a raise" and the dealer said that he didn't say 'Raise" so its a call.

if this guy threw 500 chip(S) (plural) into the pot, then its a raise, if no action before him and he didnt say anything,forward action binding, and if he threw 500 CHIP into the pot, then its just a call......:cool:
 
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if this guy threw 500 chip(S) (plural) into the pot, then its a raise, if no action before him and he didnt say anything,forward action binding, and if he threw 500 CHIP into the pot, then its just a call......:cool:

^ This

Verbal announcements overrule physical actions... but in the absence of verbal announcements, the physical action stands. Once you've put the chips in the pot, you can't retract them - unless your action contradicts a verbal announcement you've made (saying "call" then throwing in the 500 chips, for example).

Unless it was a single 500 chip (in which case the single oversized chip rule applies, and it is just a call in the absence of any verbal announcement) then it sounds like the dealer got it wrong in this case.
 
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once he says "i call" thats binding you made the right decision to quit the game if you had done the same thing in the casino they would not have let you once you say i call u r obligated to put your chips in you can not reneg on that one lol
 
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if this guy threw 500 chip(S) (plural) into the pot, then its a raise, if no action before him and he didnt say anything,forward action binding, and if he threw 500 CHIP into the pot, then its just a call......:cool:

Just to clarify......There were two limpers before him....and he threw out a 500
"chip" with no verbal action by him. Just a call.
 
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Just to clarify......There were two limpers before him....and he threw out a 500
"chip" with no verbal action by him. Just a call.

Single chip with no verbal action = call
 
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So this 500 chip to call a 100 bet. What happens to the other 400 of value? Does he get 400 back by the dealer?
 
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So this 500 chip to call a 100 bet. What happens to the other 400 of value? Does he get 400 back by the dealer?

yep..unless he announced raise...the single chip rule applies and dealer gives change
 
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String Bet?

I believe this is the 'Term' for what you are referring to;

string bet- To call with one motion and raise with another, or to reach for more chips in the middle of laying a bet/raise without stating the intended amount. String bets are prohibited in public cardroom rules. <--Wiki pedia

Unannounced Bet is binding once the chips cross the line towards the pot.
ie. 500 single chip bet, first to act where Big Blind is less than half of 500 (say, 200BB/100SB)
and this would be considered a 'Raise' - unannounced when put across the line.
All Verbal announcement is binding.
'Call' = match original Bet (or Raise).
'Raise' = Minimum of Double the original Bet
'Re-Raise' = Minimum of Double the original Raise

Glossary of poker terms - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Another is to say 'I raise' and put 'x' amount into the pot, and then reach for more to put in.
The motion has to be in a 'Single' Motion, and no additional Chips may be added to the Pot.

String Bet also include Calling, or Raising out of Turn,
where you will get a warning from the dealer or Director,
and get a 1 level penalty,15 min. Sit-Out.
(All Blinds and Antes are forefeited the next time it happens.)
 
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player 1 - "i'm all-in"

player 2 - "i call"

player 1 flips over the nuts

player 2 - "WAIT NEVERMIND I RETRACT PREVIOUS CALL"
 
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In the local cardrooms around here, at the $1/$2 tables, because players often run out of white $1 chips, they routinely flip a red $5 chip into the betting area and wait for the dealer to ask them whether they are calling or raising. Since the dealer is responsible for giving change in case of a $2 call, s/he is also responsible for making sure s/he knows what each player is doing. The player is *supposed* to say "call" or "raise," but many don't, and the cardrooms overlook it.
 
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In the local cardrooms around here, at the $1/$2 tables, because players often run out of white $1 chips, they routinely flip a red $5 chip into the betting area and wait for the dealer to ask them whether they are calling or raising. Since the dealer is responsible for giving change in case of a $2 call, s/he is also responsible for making sure s/he knows what each player is doing. The player is *supposed* to say "call" or "raise," but many don't, and the cardrooms overlook it.

I realize that cardrooms may overlook it but it is an abuse of privilege.
And inconvenience to the dealer to 'babysit' ignorance.

In this instance, as in tournaments if you are the first to act,
and all you have are chips of a higher denomination than the BB,
it is the players responsibility to 'announce' call/raise or ask for a chip change
in order to place the appropriate bet/raise.

If a Player is placing a SB/BB and do not have the smaller denomination,
then they are allowed to post the Higher denomination Chip Value,
in recieving the appropriate 'change' when it becomes their turn to act.

In Tournaments you will often see players take their original
post back if they are calling a Raise and placing the required
amount to replace the smaller wager.
 
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