Advice needed on rewinding and restarting

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So I started my br strictly from fr $$, built it up to around $150 or so playing mtt and 10nl...took a shot at 25nl fr and toasted it.

Studied, read up alot took a look at my game as a whole and deposited $200 strictly to go after 25nl 6max with a fury. This worked well for me but I still have some huge leaks in my game that I need to work on. I took it up to over $350 and a few nasty beats later I was down to $270 or so, I decided to take my deposit of 200 and withdraw for now, and work with my $70 or so br @ 10nl and sngs to see if I can fix my leaky game and my mental aspect.

I KNOW I can beat 25nl 6max, The leaks I am ackowledging are a few listed below

1-- spotting sets
2 -- Knowing when to bet when I am up against an aggro with a lesser hand, I get scared off and either check behind or or check and the aggro shoves and I fold shaking my head knowing I had the best of it.
3 -- Knowing when to drop an awesome hand when I know I am beat (this I am getting much better)
4 -- not making it personal ie attacking an asshat who constantly is blind stealing only to get my ass handed to me
5 -- playing my cards and not the table is it possible to be TAG/passive???
I always think the other guy has the nuts and get scared


This is all in ring games, as I can fair pretty well in mtt and sng I can get itm 50% or so


Any advice on where I should go from here? I am pretty good at mtt (I think)
10nl rings I am decent when playing a super tight game and super aggressive when I get cards (runs the 72 guys off mostly) SnG I am so so, and this is probably my weakest point. I am working with around a $50 br to try and smooth myself out. Tilt should not be a huge issue as I have only went on serious tilt once since I started back playing. Went allin with trip aces and a JQ caught runner runner straight, next hand I hit KK and shoved well he shoved with J9s and flushed me. I threw things and spewed words only pentacostal church goers speaking in tongues have heard.


This is my DEEP BREATH post and slowing it down time is now. Again advice is needed/wanted/loved/and looked forward to. GOOD and BAD!

Thanks!!!


---Tim
 
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I don't think there is much you can do. Use good Bank Roll Management and be patient at the tables. You are playing with winnings so try to improve your stack and don't let the other players bring you down at the tables.
 
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1) Are you taking a shot at $25 6-max with less than $750?
B) How do you know you can beat $25 6-max?
3) Are you playing in $10 S&G's with less than $400?
4) If so, then how is blowing through your $70 bank roll in a couple hours going to help you with the mental aspect of your game?


Don't get me wrong, I'm rooting for you but it sounds like you need to do some research on bankroll requirements...
 
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Well after winning a few team events the BR will be back up :).
 
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" 4 -- not making it personal ie attacking an asshat who constantly is blind stealing only to get my ass handed to me "

i can really use that advice because when i know someone is shoving all in to take the blinds i personally put it on myself to take that person out for the rest of the table... doesnt usually go well as you can imagine so from now on im just going to play my poker and not fall into his play:)
 
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1) Are you taking a shot at $25 6-max with less than $750?
B) How do you know you can beat $25 6-max?
3) Are you playing in $10 S&G's with less than $400?
4) If so, then how is blowing through your $70 bank roll in a couple hours going to help you with the mental aspect of your game?


Don't get me wrong, I'm rooting for you but it sounds like you need to do some research on bankroll requirements...

I never said I had goood brm skills.

B) I took my shot at 25nl 6max with 10 buyins, out of the 12,354 hands played there I averaged 7.8 BB/100 which I think is fairly decent in my lowstakes terms.
3) I never said I was playing 10$ sngs where did this come from?
4) I am not planning on blowing through my remaining $70 in a couple of hours.

and my own personal

ABCDEFG) Read my first post again and see wtf I am talking about. I am trying to find the best games to play to strengthen my game as a whole. I could give a rats ass about losing my $70 and I only withdrew the $2xx just so I wouldnt blow through it in the process. This is a learning experience for me not a donk it off for the hell of it tour.



I am wanting to find and therefore fix the leaks in my game as listed above in the fastes easiest, least costly manner possible.
 
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Well after winning a few team events the BR will be back up :).

At this moment I dont care about the BR, I have what I withdrew on standby to redeposit when I think my game has improved. The team events will most def help the br and learning curve drammatically I am sure!
 
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ABCDEFG) Read my first post again and see wtf I am talking about. I am trying to find the best games to play to strengthen my game as a whole.

I don't think that there are best games to play to strengthen your game as a whole. I don't really even know what that means.

I am wanting to find and therefore fix the leaks in my game as listed above in the fastes easiest, least costly manner possible.

Best of luck to you.
 
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You've helped me alot, Tim--What I don't get, though, is how can you play 'super tight-super aggresive?' I mean, when you're playing 'Super Tight', aren't you really playing 'Nitty'? And when you're playing Super aggresive' aren't you really playing ANY 2 CARDS? Kind of a paradox, isn't it? So, in otherwords, maybe just going back to the basics (at least for now) wouldn't be such a bad idea. Maybe using a conservitive strategy would be more in line, at least until you can calm down a little and get back in the groove! :eek:
 
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BrrrUMP! Tim need sanswers! Sorry, Tim--I been drinkin' a lil cuz its my B-day so I cant spell so goud:p
 
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Good post, first step to fixing a problem is spotting it. I'm not a bad MTT player either, but in many ways that works against you in ring.

1-- spotting sets

You don't need to. All you need to do is not build big pots with TPTK type hands in most situations. If you are getting stacked to sets a lot you are overplaying your TPTK type hands on the turn and river. Slow it down and save the big pots for your sets, straights and flushes.

2 -- Knowing when to bet when I am up against an aggro with a lesser hand, I get scared off and either check behind or or check and the aggro shoves and I fold shaking my head knowing I had the best of it.

Tricky one to give general advice on. Focus on the long run and get your chips in when you think you are ahead and accept you will lose some hands but win more than you lose, is probably all that can be said.

3 -- Knowing when to drop an awesome hand when I know I am beat (this I am getting much better)

Sounds like you've got this one, but AA is only an awesome hand preflop, and some straights and flushes turn to crap on the river.

4 -- not making it personal ie attacking an asshat who constantly is blind stealing only to get my ass handed to me

Some bits of this might help.. https://www.cardschat.com/f49/poker-ego-90008/ but read Zen and the Art of Poker for some excellent advice.

5 -- playing my cards and not the table is it possible to be TAG/passive???
I always think the other guy has the nuts and get scared

It doesn't matter if you lose hands, all that matters is that you make the right decision often enough and that you make your opponent make mistakes often enough.


All very vague, I'm afraid, but it sounds like you've decided to work outa solid game based on sound principles, just be prepared for ups and downs and for it to take a while.

I've got to 200nl from 25nl this year and I still feel like a newb just scratching the surface.
 
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You've helped me alot, Tim--What I don't get, though, is how can you play 'super tight-super aggresive?' I mean, when you're playing 'Super Tight', aren't you really playing 'Nitty'? And when you're playing Super aggresive' aren't you really playing ANY 2 CARDS?

By this Rick I was meaning, Super tight before the flop, even tighter than your normal TAG, due to the any 2 cards calling stations running around 10nl on tilt.
But once I am in a hand I am firing away hand or no hand really ;) and 9/10 times it works like a charm except those silly A-soooted flush chasers or just plain idiot gamblers.

Yes I would be VERY borderline nitty, but, the difference is once I am in a hand I rarely back off from it unless there is a very scary board or I am up against someone with good stats. The normal 50+/10/2 s are a blast to play this way. C-Betting is a wonderful thing when you catch a whiff on the flop.
 
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Good post, first step to fixing a problem is spotting it. I'm not a bad MTT player either, but in many ways that works against you in ring.



You don't need to. All you need to do is not build big pots with TPTK type hands in most situations. If you are getting stacked to sets a lot you are overplaying your TPTK type hands on the turn and river. Slow it down and save the big pots for your sets, straights and flushes.



Tricky one to give general advice on. Focus on the long run and get your chips in when you think you are ahead and accept you will lose some hands but win more than you lose, is probably all that can be said.



Sounds like you've got this one, but AA is only an awesome hand preflop, and some straights and flushes turn to crap on the river.



Some bits of this might help.. https://www.cardschat.com/f49/poker-ego-90008/ but read Zen and the Art of Poker for some excellent advice.



It doesn't matter if you lose hands, all that matters is that you make the right decision often enough and that you make your opponent make mistakes often enough.


All very vague, I'm afraid, but it sounds like you've decided to work outa solid game based on sound principles, just be prepared for ups and downs and for it to take a while.

I've got to 200nl from 25nl this year and I still feel like a newb just scratching the surface.


THANKS ALOT Rex!

My #1 concern I may have mentioned is say I have 2nd nuts, I always think the other guy has the nuts when actuality he has bottom pair or some shit. I will slow my decent hands down until I am for sure I am not beat.

You dont know how many times I have folded QQ, KK, AA, AK in the past few weeks (shedding a tear while I did it though) only to watch me get owned and grin knowing I made the right play. I still have issues with it though, point being yesterday in a 5.50 KO late stages I was around 20th or so and 2 loosey goosies went in and I had JJ so I call them, well the BB TAG raises me all in (chipleader) I knew i shouldnt but called and he turns AA boom IM out. If I folded it would have only cost me 5k chips instead of 35k but w/e....same goes for rings.

Again thanks for the responses so far!


-Tim
 
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Being super aggressive has nothing to do with being nitty, the opposite of nitty is very loose/maniac. The opposite of being aggressive is being passive. Aggressive/Passive refer to how you bet the hands you play..Nitty/maniac refer to the actual hands that you play.
 
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W/E it is, @ 10nl I am VERRY tight to my starting hands and bet very aggresively once I am in a hand. Whatever you want to call it thats what I am


Only at 10nl or lower though due to the any 2 card folks playing there.

25nl I am your regular TAG I would say.
 
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bankroll management is something I'm still trying to master. Sadly to say....I still haven't mastered it, but it's probably what you need.
 
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W/E it is, @ 10nl I am VERRY tight to my starting hands and bet very aggresively once I am in a hand. Whatever you want to call it thats what I am


Only at 10nl or lower though due to the any 2 card folks playing there.

25nl I am your regular TAG I would say.

I wasn't referring to your original question. I was clarifying a question that Rick asked...


You've helped me alot, Tim--What I don't get, though, is how can you play 'super tight-super aggresive?' I mean, when you're playing 'Super Tight', aren't you really playing 'Nitty'? And when you're playing Super aggresive' aren't you really playing ANY 2 CARDS? Kind of a paradox, isn't it? So, in otherwords, maybe just going back to the basics (at least for now) wouldn't be such a bad idea. Maybe using a conservitive strategy would be more in line, at least until you can calm down a little and get back in the groove! :eek:
 
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