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Last night I was playing a $3.50 buy-in MTT. At early stage, I open UTG with AJo, two players behind me called. flop cames AA5, I flop a set of Aces. I bet like 3/4 the pot, got myself committed to the pot. one plyer folded and one raised and put me all in. This player I only played with him a couple of hands before this one and he was betting aggressive. when he put me all in, I felt tha he's got A ace as well, did not really put him on a full house which is A5. I called and got sucked out. what the best can I do here, I can't fold this, can I. I just felt so unlucky, dose anyone has the same experience before, what can i do to avoid this variables in poker.
 
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you didn't flop a set. you flopped trips.

didn't bother reading the rest because if you don't know the difference you really have more reading and less playing to do.

but good luck
 
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Thanks for the comments and I understand that I am such a fish. which topic or area should I cover when if I wanna improve. Thanks agian.
 
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Thanks for the comments and I understand that I am such a fish. which topic or area should I cover when if I wanna improve. Thanks agian.

If you actually want to improve i suggest reading some books. There's loads of them.
 
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AJo UTG is a good hand to get in trouble with.
 
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If he calls pre with A5, he didn't suck-out on you. He flopped the better hand, and if you were to hit a J on either the turn or river, you would've sucked-out on him. It's not questionable that he hit a lucky flop, but at the same time it's reasonable for you to believe you had the best hand, considering you didn't post stack sizes and other crucial information for anyone to make an appropriate analysis of the hand.

If you are serious about improving your overall knowledge of the game, then start by reading through the Strategy Articles section on this forum. There's a link to that section at the top of the page. There's also plenty of advice on MTTs throughout the entire forum (use the search link for specific topics)

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you didn't flop a set. you flopped trips.

didn't bother reading the rest because if you don't know the difference you really have more reading and less playing to do.

but good luck
Oh please, how obnoxious. That used to be a big deal 6 years ago. I've read plenty of strategy articles where they use the two interchangably.

You played the hand fine pokerdreamer. No getting away from that one.
 
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Thanks everyone, really I feel great that I have received so many conments from you guys. made me feel that I am part of somthing now, I am not alone. kind of new to the poker forum.
thanks guys
 
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Oh please, how obnoxious. That used to be a big deal 6 years ago. I've read plenty of strategy articles where they use the two interchangably.

You played the hand fine pokerdreamer. No getting away from that one.
Agreed ^

If you've got a player who's calling w A5 then for sure you played it fine imo.
 
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If you think that you might want to check out a book, Phil Gordon's 'Little Green Book' is a great one to start out with (well-written, easy & enjoyable read). You could try picking it up from your local library.
 
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Thanks Orifice, I found a free copy on google and i am reading it right now. Thanks for sharing.
 
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If it was FR you might want to re think opening AJo. It is one of those trouble hands, and really should only be played if you are a good post flop player, and maybe not even then UTG - or UTG+, especially early MTT.. You can be dominated by better and worse(!) Ax, as you saw.

When you flop trips with a decent kicker, you are pretty much gonna lose a lot if not all of your stack. You will get a lot of calls from Ax, as well as other hands that will be hard to play against OOP. Always think about position, and if you are UTG, it will mainly be bad, and if the blinds fold it will always be bad.. Try to not play marginal hands OOP and you will already be in better shape overall.
 
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They say that the mark of the great poker players is that they know when their good hands are beaten by great hands, and they lose the least value possible. Whenever you get 3 of a kind you should always be on the lookout for straights, flushes, and if you get trips (when you have one ace in your hand and there are 2 aces on the board), definitely be weary of someone else having the 4th ace with a better kicker, or a full house
 
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You knew that his got an A so you made a coin-flip. This guy would go all-in even with A2 so I think you did a right thing to call his allin.
 
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Oh please, how obnoxious. That used to be a big deal 6 years ago. I've read plenty of strategy articles where they use the two interchangably.

You played the hand fine pokerdreamer. No getting away from that one.
I agree. I had no idea that trips and a set were different. I googled and found the difference but the value is the same. I understand that a set is technically stronger since another guy cant have the same set but if there's a paired board there's 1 card out there that ties your three of a kind and possible full house or kickers take effect but they are the same hand. AA with board of 54AJ7 is still three of a kind just like AT with A5A29.
 
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Oh please, how obnoxious. That used to be a big deal 6 years ago. I've read plenty of strategy articles where they use the two interchangably.
While I agree he was unnecessarily harsh, call me a terminology nit but I believe it's important to distinguish between the two when discussing hands. I'm less concerned that OP technically called it wrong than about whether he realizes the difference -- a set being a much stronger hand than trips, which are more vulnerable to better kickers and full houses (as happened here). It should definitely change the way you evaluate your equity and affect your decisions in the hand.

So while some may consider the terminology interchangeable (I don't but again I'm OCD about correct terminology), I will argue the hands themselves certainly are NOT interchangeable.

You played the hand fine pokerdreamer. No getting away from that one.
As played I'd have to agree.

If it was FR you might want to re think opening AJo. It is one of those trouble hands, and really should only be played if you are a good post flop player, and maybe not even then UTG - or UTG+, especially early MTT.. You can be dominated by better and worse(!) Ax, as you saw.
This. Beginning players usually overvalue AJ, especially in early positions. This is really a foldable hand in EP with when stacks are deep/blinds are small. Very easy to get in trouble with and build too big a pot when you aren't sure where you are post-flop.
 
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this is bad bet and but if i have this hand frist check after my opponent raise i just call

No checking possible He is UTG

Or do you mean OTF??

Checking also not good IMO, why get in the hand and check with this flop??
 
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this is bad bet and but if i have this hand frist check after my opponent raise i just call
Not sure how you can suggest that without knowing more info, e.g. effective stacks. Taking a passive line like check/call is usually terrible unless stacks are super-deep or there are serious metagame adjustments happening, and with this hand in particular the result would be the same -- OP obviously can't fold, and neither will villain. If OP just c/c flop but is willing to fold to a bet on a turn brick, then he should just fold flop and save his money. Otherwise outcome is the same and I'd rather get my money in sooner than later when I think I have the best hand.
 
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you didn't flop a set. you flopped trips.

didn't bother reading the rest because if you don't know the difference you really have more reading and less playing to do.

but good luck
As strongly as this may have been put, I'm extremely glad it was mentioned because I didn't know there was a technical difference between the wording either until I figured to check why he would say something like this. I thought he was kidding at first...
 
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As strongly as this may have been put, I'm extremely glad it was mentioned because I didn't know there was a technical difference between the wording either until I figured to check why he would say something like this. I thought he was kidding at first...
It's interesting that I find a lot of novice players don't realize it either. I guess because I immersed myself into poker books, forums, and training very early that I picked it up right away and just assumed everyone knew the difference, but that's obviously not the case when I see the terms misapplied so often.
 
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It's interesting that I find a lot of novice players don't realize it either. I guess because I immersed myself into poker books, forums, and training very early that I picked it up right away and just assumed everyone knew the difference, but that's obviously not the case when I see the terms misapplied so often.
What's up D'...

Yeah, i'll admit it... Still a novice at poker... I always knew that the "set situation" is stronger than the "trips situation" but always thought that the words were interchangeable as mentioned earlier. I have many poker books so it's weird I would have missed this. I tend to just scan through them only for just what I need sometimes is probably why... Need to stop doing that...:eek:
 
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BTW the "novice" comment wasn't intended as a slam or even directed at you. I just meant that when you've played poker long enough and/or read enough books, watched enough vids, participated in enough HH analyses, etc. that you'll eventually realize and make the distinction even if someone doesn't outright tell you.
 
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BTW the "novice" comment wasn't intended as a slam or even directed at you. ...
Never took it as such D'... Thnx for tha comments. Being/learning as I go on CC is helping me improve my game/attitude tho'... :)
 
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I had a similar thing happen. A was holding AK raised about 2.5 preflop pretty deep in the tournament. 39 left out of 3500. Flop came out AA8. This guy was calling C-Bets a lot. He checked I bet like 2/3 he called. next card is a 4. He bets I raise him all in, he has pocket 8's. How could I have played this hand differently? Did I make a huge mistake?
 
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I had a similar thing happen. A was holding AK raised about 2.5 preflop pretty deep in the tournament. 39 left out of 3500. Flop came out AA8. This guy was calling C-Bets a lot. He checked I bet like 2/3 he called. next card is a 4. He bets I raise him all in, he has pocket 8's. How could I have played this hand differently? Did I make a huge mistake?
Post the HH if you've got it, or provide more detail. Without stack sizes, payout structure (if ~20% field is paid, then you're ITM already?), etc. it's hard to say for sure. But this deep I expect effective stacks were shallow, so with top trips in position and him being cally against cbets and slow-playing his boat, then donking turn, you pretty much had to jam him there I think.
 
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