A golden opportunity ruined!

You know how players take turns dealing the cards when the are on the button. Occassionally, a card flips over face up when the hole cards are dealt. Usually when this happens in my weekly tournament, it is left face up and that would be the kill card so when the flop comes the dealer just starts with the first card on top of the deck.
This was this one time where I was at the table and there was this one player who struggled with the game, porbably still learning. Usually we are patient with these type of players but at this particular hand, we got really frustrated. This player was the dealer and as she was dealing the cards one accidentally went face up. It was . I really felt bad for the player that would 've had that in his hand. We left it face up. We explained to her that when it was time to do the flop, you just flip the first three cards without killing a card. Apparently, she wasn't listening fully becuase immediately after we explained this, she flipped three cards over. Players were still making bets preflop and almost everyone yelled "No!" The flop was: . He would've had trip aces. We had to do a redeal. I'm surprised he was calm about it even though you could tell he was upset. One player said that is that was his hand he would have ringed her neck. That is a bit harsh. After all, she is still learning. Still, that sucked.

Ummm so she made a mistake It isn't a perfect world, if someone is going to make a mistake. Then you need to make a designated dealer to eliminate this and from the others from saying "I should ring your neck".

yeah, thats a rough one, but she didn't *mean* to do it, so you sorta have to write it off as "stuff happens." oh well.

the only thing that irritates me (about card players in general, but typically new players) are the players who have no table etiquette. after being asked to wait for your turn to ask repeatedly, and *still* acting out of turn really bugs me. as does holding up the table while trying to order a drink (at local live tourneys). just wait til you're out of a hand then order, please.

the worst thing, though, is the person who, after the hand is over, will LOOK AT YOUR CARDS after you've mucked them!!! i knew an *experienced player* who would periodically check people's hands after they had won a pot and discarded their hand. i told him straight up if i ever caught him doing that again, id ask the tournament director to eject him. (to me, it's tantamount to cheating.)

so... if they goof up on accident, no big deal. if they should know better... they may get an earful from me.

I just have one question about this scenario, does anyone know the real rule concerning this? it happens at our home game and what we do is just re-deal. Is this proper or wrong?

I'm not to positive on what the real rule is, but when it happens in my home games its up to the person who it happend to. Either play the hand or redeal it.

The flashed card becomes the "Burn" card, the dealer DOES NOT deal a second card to that player but when he finished the deal the card that should have been the burn card is given to that player. The flop is then dealt WITHOUT a further burn card when the time comes.

If it happens a second time in the same deal its a re-deal.

Other rules you may be interested in on the same theme:

If a card ends up on the floor then it is an automatic re-deal.

If when dealing the flop the burn card is exposed by mistake then it is re-shuffled into the remainder of the deck, then dealing the of the community cards continues.

These are genrally accepted rules everywhere i play, best thing to do is to announce any rules (or ask) before you start playing.

Hope this helps.

gjshand said:

The flashed card becomes the "Burn" card, the dealer DOES NOT deal a second card to that player but when he finished the deal the card that should have been the burn card is given to that player. The flop is then dealt WITHOUT a further burn card when the time comes.

If it happens a second time in the same deal its a re-deal.

Other rules you may be interested in on the same theme:

If a card ends up on the floor then it is an automatic re-deal.

If when dealing the flop the burn card is exposed by mistake then it is re-shuffled into the remainder of the deck, then dealing the of the community cards continues.

These are genrally accepted rules everywhere i play, best thing to do is to announce any rules (or ask) before you start playing.

Hope this helps.

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those are official everywhere ive played. i asked a couple casino dealers about flipping cards during the deal, and theyve all said it is exchanged for the burn card, as was mentioned above. if more than one card is flipped on the deal, it's considered a misdeal.

The only thing we do in our home games is re-deal. Then if it happens twice the deal changes hands and the offender has to match the blinds. That's just my little home game twist.

Hey gj thanks for that info man,yea I guess setting that as part of the rules pre-play is the best thing.

osirisdean said:

the worst thing, though, is the person who, after the hand is over, will LOOK AT YOUR CARDS after you've mucked them!!! i knew an *experienced player* who would periodically check people's hands after they had won a pot and discarded their hand. i told him straight up if i ever caught him doing that again, id ask the tournament director to eject him. (to me, it's tantamount to cheating.)

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Your're right unless there's been a bet and call on the river. Then the general rule is that if a hand has been mucked without being shown any player can ask the dealer to kill the hand and expose the cards. The intent is to prevent collusion. In fact if I call someone and they muck after I show mine, I'm not shy about asking the dealer to show the hand. The online sites do this by showing the mucked hand in the hand histories.