Which 9 players would be the toughest WSOP final table?

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For the exception of myself, the following players are my choices:

1. - Tom "Durr" Dwan - This man needs no introduction a.k.a. "The Internet Monster". Perhaps the largest cash game player online. He has the tendency to play over 70% of his hands. Tom has proven to make the big bet bluff with absolutely nothing. Truly a force to be wreckin with on this table.
2. - David Williams - Runner up to Greg "Fossil Man" Raymer in the 2004 wsop Main event and a member of the "The Crew". An over aggressive, high pressure player. Loves his late position, small ball play and utilizes it well.
3. - Gavin Griffin - This is my pick to be one of Tom "Dur" Dwan's 10 biggest nightmares. Yet anoher fearless young of players, his level/style of play reflects Dur's.
4. - Scott Fischman - another over aggressive player, member of the "The Crew" Former poker dealer ,he's seen players make moves on poker tables and utilizes his reading skill to do the same. Next to Tom Dwan, he's my prominent pick as hardest to read.
5. - Alex Jacob - I see this player as another reflection of Tom Dwan. Unfortunately he hasn't been seen as of lately on the big scene, however if you've seen his previous appearances, you wopuld justify my reason for his rank among these players.
6. - Bertrand " Elky " Grospellier - a high stakes online heads up player. This man has showed the world his incredible level of tournmamant play. HE can definitely run with the best on this planet. I personally would like to see a heads up cash game with him and Tommy Dwan.
7. - Annette " Annette15 " Obrestad - dubbed the next "Queen of Poker ", she is not doubt the youngest and most expierienced player in the world. Started playing inline @ the age of 15 under her brothers account. Annette has captured the inaugural WSOP Europe Main Event title. I can't waqit to see her in Vegas WSOP.
8. - Jon " PearlJammer " Turner - a top ranked online tournament specialist, has a proven online track record. Usually multi screens high buy in tournys. His tight/agressive style builds to huge pots taken down by the man. More than likely the next big name in TV play.

This thread is open to all players of this forum. Not only do I request your player list, but please elaborate as to details for your choice.
 
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Guys like Dwan either baffle or annoy me. I'm not sure.

He can play 70%+ of hands, push in huge bets with absurdly dumb hands, and people call it genius.

Anyone else does that and they call them "Donks".

Oh, and I wish he'd learn how to throw chips into a pot. Watched him on PAD a couple times and I felt bad for the dealer having to stretch to reach his chips because he'd just drop them like an inch from the rest of his stack when making a bet. ><
 
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Not durr

Durr has done nothing at any live tourneys...he is only good cash game player
 
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That means he would be easy to play against?

No, just that he doesn't bother entering many - if he put his mind to it I'm sure he'd be a long way from easy to play against.

As for my list, if we're talking NLHE then my list would be:

Phil Hellmuth - one of the best NLHE donkament players in the world. Period. Plus he tries extra hard in WSOP events.

Chris Ferguson - exceptional tournament player, and nigh impossible to read to boot.

Phil Ivey - because if he's made it to the final table he's probably got half a million plus in side bets riding on the outcome and this year's proved that he's motivated as hell when that's the case.

Daniel Negreanu - for much the same reasons as Ivey really.

Justin Bonomo - talented, aggressive and hard to read.

Mike Matusow - on the proviso that he's on his game and properly medicated.

Michael Binger - because he's a tournament cashing machine.

David Singer - because nits are people too, and some of them do really well at tournaments.

Ivan Demidov - because he seems motivated right now.

Honourable mentions to Erick Lindgren, John Juanda, Allen Cunningham, Scott Fischman and ElkY. Different list if we're talking stud, LOLmaha, mixed games or heads up.
 
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Phil Helmuth
Phil Ivey
Doyle Brunson
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Chris Fergison
TJ
Joe Hatcham
Mike the mouth
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Durr has done nothing at any live tourneys...he is only good cash game player
Quite the contrary, you're wrong. " Dur " made a WPT final table in the past. My guess would be the tournament time frame consumes way too much time to earn $125,000.00 - $1,300,000.00 . He earns this much cash live in 2 days as oppose to getting ousted in the first day of the tourny.
 
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Phil Helmuth
Phil Ivey
Doyle Brunson
Daniel N
Chris Fergison
TJ
Joe Hatcham
Mike the mouth
Devilfish
You neglected to mention why the choice of players qualify. Remember this, the moderators are reading your posts. Make the most of each one. This will drastically improve your post count statistics. Thank you.
 
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Guys like Dwan either baffle or annoy me. I'm not sure.

He can play 70%+ of hands, push in huge bets with absurdly dumb hands, and people call it genius.

Anyone else does that and they call them "Donks".

^Not this.....there's a difference between who you're calling "donks" and Dwan. Yes, he's uber-aggressive; that's not inherently donkish I don't want to get into a huge defend Durrrrr fanboy post however.
 
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1. Daniel Negreanu- Plays a wide array of hands and plays them well post-flop. Hard to read
2. Chris Ferguson- Impossible to read, mostly because he maintains uniform betting and raising.
3. Andy Bloch- Very analytical player, engineering degree from MIT, just a brilliant player in all disciplines of the game.
4. Howard Lederer- Master of leverage, goes beyond the pot odds.
5. Ivan Demidov- Very aggressive and makes great reads against everyone but Peter Eastgate.
6. Peter Eastgate- If he can beat Ivan Demidov heads up, he deserves to be on this list.
7. Johnny Chan- Always seems to know where he is in a hand and when he's beat.
8. Mike Carroll- The best player most people have never heard of.
9. Gavin Smith- Really on his game since he cut back on his drinking.

Runner-up: Barry Greenstein
 
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Hmm I'll go with...

Tom Dwan- Internet Phenom
Phil Helmuth- Amazing NLHE Tournament Player
Phil Ivey- Perhaps the best player in the world
Chris Ferguson- Fantastic Tournament Strategist
Ivan Demidov- Seems to be killing recently
Doyal Brunson- The Legend
Johnny Chan- Won the ME back to back
Barry Greenstein- Really impresses me everytime i see him
 
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5. Ivan Demidov- Very aggressive and makes great reads against everyone but Peter Eastgate.
6. Peter Eastgate- If he can beat Ivan Demidov heads up, he deserves to be on this list.
Peter Eastgate didn't actually beat Ivan Demidov, he out drew him in the final hand dealt. You may want to seriously reconsider your evaluation of Eastgate's WSOP 2008 Title. Watch the final table archives again.
 
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The OP's list is more like who would make the toughest FTOPS final table.
They're almost all internet players.
I agree with most of the responses for toughest WSOP final table.
 
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Peter Eastgate does not deserve to be in the top 9 list by any means :p

I assume we mean live/current players, since that's what everyone's answering with?
 
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Peter Eastgate didn't actually beat Ivan Demidov, he out drew him in the final hand dealt. You may want to seriously reconsider your evaluation of Eastgate's WSOP 2008 Title. Watch the final table archives again.
Better yet, I have it on my DVR. Here is how it went down:
Eastgate (120,425,000): Post SB (500k)
Demidov (16,450,000): Post BB (1m)

Dealt to Eastgate: Ad 5s
Dealt to Demidov: 4h 2h

Eastgate: calls 500k
Demidov: checks

flop: (2d Ks 3h)
Demidov: check
Eastgate: Bet 1.25m
Demidov: Calls 1.25m

Turn: (2d Ks 3h) 4c
Demidov: Check
Eastgate: Bet 2m
Demidov: Raise 4m to 6m
Eastgate: Calls 4m

River: (2d Ks 3h 4c) 7c
Demidov: All-in for 8.05m
Eastgate: Call

Eastgate wins with straight Ace to 5.

You make it sound like it was a big draw, but he was 38% to win after the flop and it was checked to him when he had 7x Demidov's stack. Demidov just flat called with bottom pair. I think Eastgate played extremely well. After Eastgate knocked out Dennis Phillips he had 83m against Demidov's 53m. If you've watched High Stakes Poker on GSN, you may agree that Eastgate has performed quite well against other established pros. I'm not saying Eastgate is the best, or even better than any of the other 8 I listed. But, as last year's Main Event winner, I think he at least deserves an invitation to this fictional table.
 
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Don't forget Jerry Yang ;)

Maybe throw a Jaime Gold in there for lulz
 
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Better yet, I have it on my DVR. Here is how it went down:
Eastgate (120,425,000): Post SB (500k)
Demidov (16,450,000): Post BB (1m)

Dealt to Eastgate: Ad 5s
Dealt to Demidov: 4h 2h

Eastgate: calls 500k
Demidov: checks

flop: (2d Ks 3h)
Demidov: check
Eastgate: Bet 1.25m
Demidov: Calls 1.25m

Turn: (2d Ks 3h) 4c
Demidov: Check
Eastgate: Bet 2m
Demidov: Raise 4m to 6m
Eastgate: Calls 4m

River: (2d Ks 3h 4c) 7c
Demidov: All-in for 8.05m
Eastgate: Call

Eastgate wins with straight Ace to 5.

You make it sound like it was a big draw, but he was 38% to win after the flop and it was checked to him when he had 7x Demidov's stack. Demidov just flat called with bottom pair. I think Eastgate played extremely well. After Eastgate knocked out Dennis Phillips he had 83m against Demidov's 53m. If you've watched High Stakes Poker on GSN, you may agree that Eastgate has performed quite well against other established pros. I'm not saying Eastgate is the best, or even better than any of the other 8 I listed. But, as last year's Main Event winner, I think he at least deserves an invitation to this fictional table.

Posting a hand where Eastgate already had an 8:1 chip lead is kind of pointless. He was such a huge favorite at that point that Demidov was going to have to get lucky. Still Demidov getting 2nd and 3rd in both WSOP main events was amazing.
 
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I'm really surprised that no one mentioned Kenny Tran, Tony G, or John Juanda. Tran has made some of the grossest reads/calls I have ever seen, Tony G plows through with Lithuanian "POWER!", and Juanda is underrated by the mainstream poker viewing community.
 
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I'm really surprised that no one mentioned Kenny Tran, Tony G, or John Juanda. Tran has made some of the grossest reads/calls I have ever seen, Tony G plows through with Lithuanian "POWER!", and Juanda is underrated by the mainstream poker viewing community.
John Juanda isn't very good, actually. Oh wait, what were you saying about him?
 
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John Juanda isn't very good, actually. Oh wait, what were you saying about him?


2002 $1,500 Triple Draw Lowball Ace to Five-$49,620
2003 $2,500 Seven Card Stud Hi-Lo Split-$130,200
2003 $2,500 Pot Limit Omaha-$203,840
2008 WSOPE £10,000 No Limit Hold'em Main Event-$1,539,250


4 bracelets, 48 money finishes in the WSOP, live tournament winnings exceeding $9,600,000 (including the 3+ million from WSOP cashes), and he's "not very good"? I suggest you research a player before you are so quick and ignorant to criticize an accomplished poker professional.
 
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2002 $1,500 Triple Draw Lowball Ace to Five-$49,620
2003 $2,500 Seven Card Stud Hi-Lo Split-$130,200
2003 $2,500 Pot Limit Omaha-$203,840
2008 WSOPE £10,000 No Limit Hold'em Main Event-$1,539,250


4 bracelets, 48 money finishes in the WSOP, live tournament winnings exceeding $9,600,000 (including the 3+ million from WSOP cashes), and he's "not very good"? I suggest you research a player before you are so quick and ignorant to criticize an accomplished poker professional.
I was joking with you
 
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durr plays way too loose for tournament poker. His style you can only get away with in cash games. In a real tourney you have to be tight. Ofc real poker is only cash games though ;). No bluffs really in tourneys, except stealing blinds.
 
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My nine person final table would be as follows

1.Howard Lederer There is not a better technician in the game

2. Phil Ivey The silent killer just love his stlye

3.Doyle Brunson The legend nuff said he should just go staight to every final table

4.Gus Hansen The wild card the guy can play 72os and make it seem like the thing to do

5.Chris Ferguson Can you spell discipline look it up his picture is there

6.Daniel Negreanu Sometimes I belive he knows what cards your holding before their dealt

7.Jon Juanda Just a good steady player with no weaknesses

8.Johhny Chan Anyone with that many bracelets has to be there

9.Phil Helmuth He is a cariacture of himself but he holds the most bracelets
 
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For the exception of myself, the following players are my choices:

1. - Tom "Durr" Dwan - This man needs no introduction a.k.a. "The Internet Monster". Perhaps the largest cash game player online. He has the tendency to play over 70% of his hands. Tom has proven to make the big bet bluff with absolutely nothing. Truly a force to be wreckin with on this table.
2. - David Williams - Runner up to Greg "Fossil Man" Raymer in the 2004 WSOP Main event and a member of the "The Crew". An over aggressive, high pressure player. Loves his late position, small ball play and utilizes it well.
3. - Gavin Griffin - This is my pick to be one of Tom "Dur" Dwan's 10 biggest nightmares. Yet anoher fearless young of players, his level/style of play reflects Dur's.
4. - Scott Fischman - another over aggressive player, member of the "The Crew" Former poker dealer ,he's seen players make moves on poker tables and utilizes his reading skill to do the same. Next to Tom Dwan, he's my prominent pick as hardest to read.
5. - Alex Jacob - I see this player as another reflection of Tom Dwan. Unfortunately he hasn't been seen as of lately on the big scene, however if you've seen his previous appearances, you wopuld justify my reason for his rank among these players.
6. - Bertrand " Elky " Grospellier - a high stakes online heads up player. This man has showed the world his incredible level of tournmamant play. HE can definitely run with the best on this planet. I personally would like to see a heads up cash game with him and Tommy Dwan.
7. - Annette " Annette15 " Obrestad - dubbed the next "Queen of Poker ", she is not doubt the youngest and most expierienced player in the world. Started playing inline @ the age of 15 under her brothers account. Annette has captured the inaugural WSOP Europe Main Event title. I can't waqit to see her in Vegas WSOP.
8. - Jon " PearlJammer " Turner - a top ranked online tournament specialist, has a proven online track record. Usually multi screens high buy in tournys. His tight/agressive style builds to huge pots taken down by the man. More than likely the next big name in TV play.

This thread is open to all players of this forum. Not only do I request your player list, but please elaborate as to details for your choice.

^Lol thats a very interesting list ldo. like seriously? Scott Fischman? Alex Jacob?? Gavin Griffin?? lol the most hilarious one is David Williams ldo, that guy just continues to piss me off.

heres mine

Seat 1Tom Dwan just ask durrr bout the mirron dollar swing concept
Seat 2Phil Galfond hes cool plus hes sik good.
Seat 3KRANTZ lol its krantz, one of the best nl players obv.
Seat 4Scott Seiver (mastrblastr) proteges now elite obv just look at matrblastr
Seat 5Phil Ivey hes ivey and hes pretty sick
Seat 6Zach Hall blingblangblaow so obvious. hes a steady eddy on table ratings ship it.
Seat 7Ariel Schneller FWF is pretty awesome. he freestyle raps, he has his own tv commercial.
Seat 8aaron jones uh its aejones. helloooooooo
Seat 9Slam Dunkin Vitaly Lunkin who wouldve thought someone thats a loser at halfstacking 200nl online would be so sick. lol

^i dont care what any of you say, this would be the sickest final table ever. and i do have a lot of reasons

but yeah i dunno why all you people are choosing nits and stuff. like they'd prob just end up playing god awful and making "sick laydowns" lol.
 
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My nine person final table would be as follows

1.Howard Lederer There is not a better technician in the game

2. Phil Ivey The silent killer just love his stlye

3.Doyle Brunson The legend nuff said he should just go staight to every final table

4.Gus Hansen The wild card the guy can play 72os and make it seem like the thing to do

5.Chris Ferguson Can you spell discipline look it up his picture is there

6.Daniel Negreanu Sometimes I belive he knows what cards your holding before their dealt

7.Jon Juanda Just a good steady player with no weaknesses

8.Johhny Chan Anyone with that many bracelets has to be there

9.Phil Helmuth He is a cariacture of himself but he holds the most bracelets

seriously? thatd be a dream FT not a tough one ;)
 
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