7 card stud vs 7 card stud h/l

hi , i am new in this forum and new in stud poker,so i would llike to answer which need more skills ,more strategy ,more memorize and less luck:
7 card stud hi or 7 card stud hi lo?

also i would to explain me why it is need more skills!!!

thank you very much!!!

plz tell me your opinion!!!

Both are in my opinion the most skill form form of poker.

Obviously memory is key and even more key in stud h/l. There will be less variance in h/l.

I don't think there is much luck invovled in this form of poker either. Of course you're always drawing your hand, but it takes a really really good player to be good at stud.

stud h/l requires more skills purely because you have to know the "low ball" game very well and quite frankly a lot of people suck at low ball poker. I'd say H/L requires more skill, just like Omaha H/L game is more skillful than Omaha.

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also i have heard that in h/l it is more difficult to bluff than hi and that in hi you should learn your oppennent while in h/l only you play your card so hi need more skills!!
both is true or false?

I prefer the Hi/Lo game, but really am no longer a great fan of 7 card stud just because it requires so much more attention to keep track of cards and hands. Plus just too many betting rounds means if I chase a hand and lose, I usually lose too much on a single hand,

skarla said:

also i have heard that in h/l it is more difficult to bluff than hi and that in hi you should learn your oppennent while in h/l only you play your card so hi need more skills!!
both is true or false?

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bluffing almost never works on 6th or 7th sts. in stud8, it works in some situations like when you are HU and villain catches a brick on his Lo and you appear to improve on 4th street, .
And both stud and stud8, you should study your opponents carefully and make notes.
True, cards dictate your play more in stud8... if you dont have a scooping hand it is usually easy to fold... generally I bluff less in these games than in NL Holdem, particularly at micro and lo limits, someone will likely call you...

I much rather play hi/lo,,, either one you get to see over half of your foes cards,,,,

my friends i dont care which you like or play i care which need more skills and strategy and memorize!!!
thank you!!!
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skarla said:

plz tell me your opinion!!!

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skarla said:

my friends i dont care which you like or play i care which need more skills and strategy and memorize!!!
thank you!!!
can answer?plz?

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You come across a bit aggressive, but I will give you my opinion.
7 card hi/lo require more skills and memorize!!!

okay, here is how I play Hi/Lo,,, not saying it's the correct way,, but works for me... I never see fourth street ,,, unless my first 3 cards or 8 and lower,,, or all 3 are suited,,, or I have a high pair... I never chase st8s from my first 3 cards. I never chase an 8 high low hand if someone is showing 3 cards lower than an 8. Maybe this will steer you to the way of thinking playing Hi/Lo.... I don't play regular seven stud unless I'm in a Horse tourney...Take care

thank you guys,but tell me why h/l need more skills ,strategy and memorize than 7 card stud hi?

skarla said:

thank you guys,but tell me why h/l need more skills ,strategy and memorize than 7 card stud hi?

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First, introduce yourself.

Second, easier to say Stud or Stud8, like PLO and PLO8.

Third, I did not say that one or the other requires more skill. Someone else did, maybe they will answer you.

My advice to you is relax.

My other advice is to use the Search feature here to find advice on Stud; there are lots of them. Read them all and come back.

I think Stud Hi probably requires better hand reading skill. But they're very close to the same game.

No Limit Hold'em easily requires more skill than any of the stud games.

Stud 8 requires a little more skill because you need to track 2 hands rather than just one, then you need to be able to calculate whether or not a particular hand is gonna be profitable.

Split hands are often not profitable. In lowball you will split the low fairly often and if that hand does not take the hi hand also, you will be quartered. Getting quartered is almost always bad.

Add in the issue with rake, and betting becomes an issue. Most Stud is Limit, but even then 2 maniacs can bust themselves to the rake by capping every round, and then splitting the pot. You will need to understand how to deal with maniacs.

So all in all I say Stud 8 requires more skill.

Stud 8 is more of an action game, as is PLO8. To be successful at either requires similar situational thinking.

IMHO

c9h13no3 said:

No Limit Hold'em easily requires more skill than any of the stud games.

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Comparatively, HE has a simpler set-up than the split games (S8 and PLO8). Reading skills are similar, and hand selection in HE is generally simpler than in the split games. So this contention is debatable. The 'more skill required' comes largely from the 'No Limit' aspect of the game.

I can't tell you much but I like them both. I'd start with straight seven and learn that well and then try H/L.

can i ask something ?
i saw all these things!!
and thank you very much!!
my question is:if i am a good player in poker and in generall in stud poker,which form would be more profitable to win for a player who plays with more skills than luck!!!

thanks !!!

when i tell form i mean (seven card stud hi or seven card stud hi/low)?

plz tell me your opinion!!!

thank you in advance!!!

hey why you dont answer?
plz answer ,it is important for me!!!

skarla said:

hey why you dont answer?
plz answer ,it is important for me!!!

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Impatient? Why is it soooooooooooooooo important?

There are not a lot of Stud/Stud8 players who write about the game online. At least not a lot that I've seen. Most of the players here are playing NLHE, and of those who venture into other games, their primary stud experience with either stud is via a HORSE tourney now and then.

Either can be profitable.

Stud pure would seem to be the possibly more profitable version because once you get up in stakes people have learned how to fold. Thus when you get in a hand you are more likely to get heads up earlier in the betting. Implications are that on average, the fewer players in for the last 2 streets would offer the best chance for profit.

On the other hand, even at higher stakes the Stud8 version inherently means more action, thus bigger pots, but that is tempered by the often split and worse quartered pots.

If you could find a NL Stud game, it would probably be the most profitable. But honestly, we just don't see NL Stud online.

Carbon has a stud 8 game kicking off in 15 minutes $1 buy in start time 14:45 1 hour late registration.

I have all the skill and memorize. Find me at the stud hi/low cash games.

where?

hey, i am sorry but when you told that stud8 is more skilfll game from stud hi
and that stud 8 is the most skilfull game ,you mean limit ,no (no limit or pot limit?
right?
in generall the discusion was about limit stud8 no in nl or in pl
right?


thanks!!!

I think they both require the same amount of skill just a different variant is all, Think Stud8 requires more strategy, for the reason being that you may need to bet or not bet depending on if you are trying to build a pot or in getting someone to fold if you feel they may have a better hand than you but wont call the opposing end of either hi or lows reraise to your bet. I think Stud also has less luck for the simple reason there are not low hands turning into str8s and flushes because they would of been folded in a regular stud game.
However definately prefer Regular Stud frustrating playing numerous chopped hands and still pay rake call me greedy but prefer the whole pot so ill stick to Good ol regular Stud.