6 max, this ain't easy

Ok first've all I'm going to post a hand for you all u fine players at CC to look at and tell me what I should've done, or should do, just take a look, but before that I want u all to give me pointers at playing 6max, cuz this shit really ain't easy I was sweating the whole time I was at this table and these players were really aggressive to the point of I was folding hands like A/Q/AJ, KQ suited and off, but take a look at the hand that really had me botherd and tell me what I could've done to take myself out of situation like this all together. Ty all


Dealt to abdi122 [Ah Qs]
Ell-Bojo: raises $3 to $4 (This guy has been aggressive through out the game)
Wadmaster: folds
abdi122: calls $4
croass2: calls $4 (This guy really has been nothing but playing awful, and tilting and really just been an asshole, because he just been losing money left right and center)
Sarma80: calls $3.50
27zulu: folds
*** FLOP *** [As Jh Js

Other then this I can also say these ppl are just aggressive

Tell me if my call preflop was just passive or should I have re-bumped it preflop

I'll post the rest once ppl have seen this much and tell me what I should/should not have done with this hand

Do you have PT stats on the players? These are always useful.

Also, we can't really make proper comments without knowing stack sizes. How deep you play is absolutely essential to know in order to decide on our line here.

From what I see, 3bet preflop.

Very hard to answer without stacks - However I think you should have raised preflop and re-raise a lot when seeing the flop.
BTW I really like the 6 players tables - The game is so much faster and your hands are clearer - Strong hands are stronger

Stats on the players would be nice.
Which player are you?
What are the chip stacks of each player?

Top pair, 2nd-best kicker on a board with paired face cards and thee other people is dangerous.

I am not willing to play a big pot with this hand. If someone has K/J or even J/9 (or A/J) there's not much room for improvement.

Normally I'd call it down if it remained cheap.

lol, so sry all, Um I don't have pokertracker at all to answer your questions and once again sry That I didn't display amounts for everyone, my name btw is ABDI122Seat 1: Wadmaster ($116.20 in chips)
Seat 2: abdi122 ($111.80 in chips)
Seat 3: croass2 ($110 in chips)
Seat 4: Sarma80 ($48.10 in chips)
Seat 5: 27zulu ($183.60 in chips)
Seat 6: Ell-Bojo ($70.65 in chips)
Sarma80: posts small blind $0.50
27zulu: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to abdi122 [Ah Qs]
Ell-Bojo: raises $3 to $4
Wadmaster: folds
abdi122: calls $4
croass2: calls $4
Sarma80: calls $3.50
27zulu: folds
*** FLOP *** [As Jh Js]
Sarma80: checks
Ell-Bojo: checks
abdi122: bets $10
croass2: calls $10
Sarma80: folds
Ell-Bojo: folds
*** TURN *** [As Jh Js] [2c]

This time stacks are shown

oh btw i'm at 50/1, for some weird reason it's not telling you all but W/E

BelgoSuisse said:

Do you have Poker Tracker stats on the players? These are always useful.

Also, we can't really make proper comments without knowing stack sizes. How deep you play is absolutely essential to know in order to decide on our line here.

From what I see, 3bet preflop.

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I personally end up getting bunk for flops, and the continuation bets usually are met with alot of aggression also, I've already stated that this table is extemly aggressive so would the 3 bet plus the continutation bet be a good move/profitable move at a table like this? Wouldn't that move be more suited for a more passive/tight table?

3betting preflop is pretty mandatory against an aggressive opponent. It sounds like you're not thinking in terms of expectation, but rather remembering the times you cbet and get shoved on or whatever. Think about the times where you overcome those loses with a 3bet, he calls, then you stack a Q-high flop or AQ flop and win a massive pot.

Anyways, it's standard against an aggro opponent.

ChuckTs said:

3betting preflop is pretty mandatory against an aggressive opponent. It sounds like you're not thinking in terms of expectation, but rather remembering the times you cbet and get shoved on or whatever. Think about the times where you overcome those loses with a 3bet, he calls, then you stack a Q-high flop or AQ flop and win a massive pot.

Anyways, it's standard against an aggro opponent.

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I.c your point chuck, To tell u the trueth that's how I was seeing it at this time, I just kept remembering all the times that I did end up losing, that's why I really don't play to much cash, but more mtts

Independently of the statistics on the contrary player, in shorthanded (6 players max.) you must play aggressively when into game; the players of shorthanded tables normally must be loose aggressive and to be kept active in the table, play tight it is not very advisable.

aggressive players most of the time have big bankrolls nd will try to get you to go all in with all your money most of the times in my experience their just bluffing and are just bullying you.But if and when you get lucky you get most of their money thats why ilek playing those blufffing bulliers with big bankrolls and i only play with a small bankroll in that way if you win you win big bucks.

I have had this exact problem against 'aggro' opponents. The call was a little bit passive and you could've used a re-raise pre-flop, but against the type of players you are up against then passive might have been what you were looking for.

For me, I dislike playing against aggressive players. They tend to do to me what they did to you. Make you scared to play your good hands. My comfort level is much better around passive players than aggressive. I just try to avoid tables like this all together.

-my 100th post, nice

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pokerstars Game #19455391140: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/08/08 - 10:48:10 (ET)
Table 'Gisela IV' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Wadmaster ($116.20 in chips)
Seat 2: abdi122 ($111.80 in chips)
Seat 3: croass2 ($110 in chips)
Seat 4: Sarma80 ($48.10 in chips)
Seat 5: 27zulu ($183.60 in chips)
Seat 6: Ell-Bojo ($70.65 in chips)
Sarma80: posts small blind $0.50
27zulu: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to abdi122 [Ah Qs]
Ell-Bojo: raises $3 to $4
Wadmaster: folds
abdi122: calls $4
croass2: calls $4
Sarma80: calls $3.50
27zulu: folds
*** FLOP *** [As Jh Js]
Sarma80: checks
Ell-Bojo: checks
abdi122: bets $10
croass2: calls $10
Sarma80: folds
Ell-Bojo: folds
*** TURN *** [As Jh Js] [2c]
abdi122: bets $15
croass2: calls $15

Now my question here is was my bet to small? Should I have bet more, should I have checked? What should I have done here

Lemlywinks said:

I have had this exact problem against 'aggro' opponents. The call was a little bit passive and you could've used a re-raise pre-flop, but against the type of players you are up against then passive might have been what you were looking for.

For me, I dislike playing against aggressive players. They tend to do to me what they did to you. Make you scared to play your good hands. My comfort level is much better around passive players than aggressive. I just try to avoid tables like this all together.

-my 100th post, nice

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nice and congrats

i would have raised pre flop, bet more on the flop and on the turn (at least 70% - i think it shows confidence). however, u were not in position and this is always tough..

in general i like this article for playing SH (i think its better to implement with some exceptions in ring game than in SNG though):

Poker tips: Aggression in Short-handed No Limit Hold'em

Lemlywinks said:

I have had this exact problem against 'aggro' opponents. The call was a little bit passive and you could've used a re-raise pre-flop, but against the type of players you are up against then passive might have been what you were looking for.

For me, I dislike playing against aggressive players. They tend to do to me what they did to you. Make you scared to play your good hands. My comfort level is much better around passive players than aggressive. I just try to avoid tables like this all together.

-my 100th post, nice

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In a table of shorthanded you often are going to find players loose agressives; the nature of the game in shorthanded needs it; if you play otherwise then possibilities of winning are less with regard to his rivals; the blind return more rapidly and you feel pressed for it(other players also); because of it one must extend your range of hands.

Bet a little more on the turn, but by now I think you have him outkicked becuase most likely if he's aggressive he had two chances to raise you, and didn't.

vincemcnabb said:

Bet a little more on the turn, but by now I think you have him outkicked becuase most likely if he's aggressive he had two chances to raise you, and didn't.

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What if the player was trapping wouldn't it be good to just flat call it, maybe even the AK, or AJ, never know with these ppl, but Ic your point though

PokerStars Game #19455391140: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/08/08 - 10:48:10 (ET)
Table 'Gisela IV' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Wadmaster ($116.20 in chips)
Seat 2: abdi122 ($111.80 in chips)
Seat 3: croass2 ($110 in chips)
Seat 4: Sarma80 ($48.10 in chips)
Seat 5: 27zulu ($183.60 in chips)
Seat 6: Ell-Bojo ($70.65 in chips)
Sarma80: posts small blind $0.50
27zulu: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to abdi122 [Ah Qs]
Ell-Bojo: raises $3 to $4
Wadmaster: folds
abdi122: calls $4
croass2: calls $4
Sarma80: calls $3.50
27zulu: folds
*** FLOP *** [As Jh Js]
Sarma80: checks
Ell-Bojo: checks
abdi122: bets $10
croass2: calls $10
Sarma80: folds
Ell-Bojo: folds
*** TURN *** [As Jh Js] [2c]
abdi122: bets $15
croass2: calls $15
*** RIVER *** [As Jh Js 2c] [3s]
abdi122: bets $25
croass2: raises $35 to $60

Now this is the river, now I hated this river card for many reasons, as u all will see, so what should I have done here, should I have reraised him, or folded, or flat called

Just my feeling, but this hand had trouble written all over it when the pair and 2 spades hit the board.

I'm not a 6max player, so can't really give an opinion with any sound reasoning, but this is a very interesting example. I do smell a trap and it's the right board for it. It's also a good board for a bluff.

Don't think there's any point in a re-raise, which would be to an all-in. You're also far enough into the pot that I think you have to at least call. Couldn't fold with what, $55 in the pot and just $35 to call.

With villain being an agg player, his range of hands could well fit that board in many ways.

First off, 3 bet to $14-16 pre. On a AJJ flop its a decent flop but not great, you are out of position too. Since ur oop to croass you want to fire the flop and see where ur standing, the smooth call by villian is kinda of bleh.

On turn its a blank you bet and he just flats you again so you say ur opponent is aggressive so this sets off alarms, it looks to me like its one of 2 things, he either has a jack and is being sneaky or more likely he could be on the flush draw.

On the river the flush hits, I would pretty much never bet the river here after 2 flats and the FD hits. You are pretty much committed at this point to c/c whatever he bets on the river if he prices you in cheaply, its debatable though. I dont see any value in betting the river here though.

Monoxide said:

On the river the flush hits, I would pretty much never bet the river here after 2 flats and the FD hits. You are pretty much committed at this point to c/c whatever he bets on the river if he prices you in cheaply, its debatable though. I dont see any value in betting the river here though.

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I think betting the river depends on what villain has done in the past hands. In an unbet river, is he likely to shove all-in to put the pressure on? Obviously then you have given him the lead.

If bet, as our hero did, seems to make some effort at controlling the pot. Says 'I have something' worth betting. I think the $25 river bet did what it was supposed to. Unlikely villain was going to fold to it.

Just because villain is a known agg player, we really don't have info on how good he is going to showdown. All in all, it's a pretty scary board to bet into. But then, as I said, I'm not a 6max player, so could be all wet here.

Betting river here is spew. If he was drawing to the flush, you give him more money. If he was not, let him bluff-represent the flush.

All in all I think I personally believe I played this hand just wrong from the start, and Ic it now that I've actually read what everybody said, but the aggression is something That I really lack, for many reason but more then anything else cuz I hate losing money, hahaha

PokerStars Game #19455391140: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/08/08 - 10:48:10 (ET)
Table 'Gisela IV' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Wadmaster ($116.20 in chips)
Seat 2: abdi122 ($111.80 in chips)
Seat 3: croass2 ($110 in chips)
Seat 4: Sarma80 ($48.10 in chips)
Seat 5: 27zulu ($183.60 in chips)
Seat 6: Ell-Bojo ($70.65 in chips)
Sarma80: posts small blind $0.50
27zulu: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to abdi122 [Ah Qs]
Ell-Bojo: raises $3 to $4
Wadmaster: folds
abdi122: calls $4
croass2: calls $4
Sarma80: calls $3.50
27zulu: folds
*** FLOP *** [As Jh Js]
Sarma80: checks
Ell-Bojo: checks
abdi122: bets $10
croass2: calls $10
Sarma80: folds
Ell-Bojo: folds
*** TURN *** [As Jh Js] [2c]
abdi122: bets $15
croass2: calls $15
*** RIVER *** [As Jh Js 2c] [3s]
abdi122: bets $25
croass2: raises $35 to $60
abdi122: calls $35
*** SHOW DOWN ***
croass2: shows [4d Ad] (two pair, Aces and Jacks)
abdi122: shows [Ah Qs] (two pair, Aces and Jacks - Queen kicker)
abdi122 collected $184 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $187 | Rake $3
Board [As Jh Js 2c 3s]
Seat 1: Wadmaster folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: abdi122 showed [Ah Qs] and won ($184) with two pair, Aces and Jacks
Seat 3: croass2 (button) showed [4d Ad] and lost with two pair, Aces and Jacks
Seat 4: Sarma80 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: 27zulu (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Ell-Bojo folded on the Flop

but next time I find myself in a similar situations like this, then i'm going to play it just differently

Whoa did not expect A4, so this guy was pretty much a very aggressive spewmonkey?

I guess its all read dependant for this kind of player, over a bigger sample size I would see that hes an absolute moron and would probably be an easy call.

Against most players though you would probably be behind in this situation for sure.