50/1 what to do

Just as it sounds I'm clueless when it comes to some ppl at this level, I mean for crying out loud the ppl are overly aggressive preflop, and they don't stack up against u unless they caught a big piec of the flop, they fold to my reraises, I'm ****ing beyond tilt at the moment, but that's not what's bothering me these ppl don't fold to bluffs or atleast my bluff attempts and there constantly making me fold my small pocket pairs, because here's an example of what i'm talking about*********** # 27 **************
pokerstars Game #19047491257: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/07/23 - 17:40:46 (ET)
Table 'Kajam II' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: alty88 ($100 in chips)
Seat 2: Highpothead ($96 in chips)
Seat 3: abdi122 ($74.75 in chips)
Seat 4: dr. Dragan ($65.40 in chips)
Seat 6: Saufomat2000 ($18.50 in chips)
Seat 8: Sodom ($18.70 in chips)
Seat 9: Jehor ($17 in chips)
dr. Dragan: posts small blind $0.50
bean_5050: is sitting out
bean_5050 leaves the table
abdi122 said, "good god"
Saufomat2000: posts big blind $1
MUCHACHON: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to abdi122 [5h 5s]
Sodom: calls $1
Jehor: folds
alty88: raises $3 to $4
Highpothead: folds
GTBR1 joins the table at seat #5
abdi122: calls $4
dr. Dragan: calls $3.50
Saufomat2000: folds
Sodom: raises $14.70 to $18.70 and is all-in
alty88: raises $21.30 to $40
abdi122: folds
dr. Dragan said, "A 10 igen?"
Jehor leaves the table
dr. Dragan: folds
Uncalled bet ($21.30) returned to alty88
*** FLOP *** [Ah Qh 5c]
*** TURN *** [Ah Qh 5c] [Ac]
*** RIVER *** [Ah Qh 5c Ac] [2h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Sodom: shows [8s 8c] (two pair, Aces and Eights)
alty88: mucks hand
Sodom collected $44.10 from pot
abdi122 said, "**** sakes"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $46.40 | Rake $2.30
Board [Ah Qh 5c Ac 2h]
Seat 1: alty88 mucked [Js Ts]
Seat 2: Highpothead folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: abdi122 (button) folded before Flop
Seat 4: dr. Dragan (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Saufomat2000 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: Sodom showed [8s 8c] and won ($44.10) with two pair, Aces and Eights
Seat 9: Jehor folded before Flop (didn't bet)

now remember what I'm saying is that this table ppl aren't really willing to see cheap flops, there over aggressive and How do I proceed to play against ppl like this

If you can't wait for a monster starting hand to play back at them, MOVE TO ANOTHER TABLE

Ya but this table is so nice that I know when I have a big hand, there stacking big time with me, that's why I don't want to move from there

You don't. You move to another table.

naruto_miu said:

Just as it sounds I'm clueless when it comes to some ppl at this level, I mean for crying out loud the ppl are overly aggressive preflop, and they don't stack up against u unless they caught a big piec of the flop, they fold to my reraises

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You mean they're good? Sodom's a shortstacker and not a particularly good one, he basically said he loses at about a rate of $10k/year, but because of fpps he's able to make a living off shortstack losing. This is pretty standard though, you call a raise, ss shoves, you fold no longer getting implied odds.

I dont know whats worse, that a shortstacker is too incompetent to actually profit from playing.... or the fact he makes a living off the FPP's.

He must be terrible.

Zackvac I don't think there good at all, I personally think out of this whole table I think maybe 2 players are ok, and 2 are above good but as for the rest I think there beyond retarded, lol, N-e who I just wanted to update everyone, PokerStars Game #19050750735: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/07/23 - 19:54:51 (ET)
Table 'Kajam II' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: baddorotty ($44 in chips)
Seat 2: Swtwtr25 ($98.50 in chips)
Seat 3: abdi122 ($127.75 in chips)
Seat 4: fsunole80 ($92.40 in chips)
Seat 6: El Greco XIX ($170.40 in chips)
Seat 8: fesar ($90.05 in chips)
Seat 9: curtisjames7 ($66.75 in chips)
abdi122: posts small blind $0.50
fsunole80: posts big blind $1
majinbu: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to abdi122 [Ah Ac]
El Greco XIX: folds
fesar: folds
curtisjames7: folds
baddorotty: folds
Swtwtr25: folds
abdi122: calls $0.50
fsunole80: raises $2 to $3
abdi122: raises $5 to $8
fsunole80: calls $5
*** FLOP *** [Ts 5h 3c]
abdi122: bets $8
fsunole80: raises $14 to $22
abdi122 said, "gg"
abdi122: raises $97.75 to $119.75 and is all-in
fsunole80: calls $62.40 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($35.35) returned to abdi122
*** TURN *** [Ts 5h 3c] [5d]
*** RIVER *** [Ts 5h 3c 5d] [6c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
abdi122: shows [Ah Ac] (two pair, Aces and Fives)
fsunole80: mucks hand
abdi122 collected $181.80 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $184.80 | Rake $3
Board [Ts 5h 3c 5d 6c]
Seat 1: baddorotty folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Swtwtr25 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: abdi122 (small blind) showed [Ah Ac] and won ($181.80) with two pair, Aces and Fives
Seat 4: fsunole80 (big blind) mucked [9d 9s]
Seat 6: El Greco XIX folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: fesar folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: curtisjames7 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

one more thing just tell me if I did something wrong in this hand, if so tell me what u would've done differently, or was it just a bad play from the start, the guy in this hand is one of those good players on this table, but he has a piece of me coming to him eventually (hopefully, lol)
PokerStars Game #19050814991: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/07/23 - 19:57:33 (ET)
Table 'Kajam II' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: baddorotty ($44 in chips)
Seat 2: Swtwtr25 ($100 in chips)
Seat 3: abdi122 ($217.15 in chips)
Seat 6: El Greco XIX ($169.90 in chips)
Seat 7: majinbu ($19.50 in chips)
Seat 8: fesar ($90.05 in chips)
Seat 9: curtisjames7 ($66.75 in chips)
majinbu: posts small blind $0.50
fesar: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to abdi122 [Ah 7h]
curtisjames7: folds
baddorotty: folds
Swtwtr25: folds
abdi122: raises $3 to $4
El Greco XIX: calls $4
majinbu: folds
fesar: folds
*** FLOP *** [3h Ac 9d]
abdi122: bets $5
El Greco XIX: calls $5
*** TURN *** [3h Ac 9d] [Kh]
abdi122: bets $10
El Greco XIX: raises $18 to $28
abdi122: calls $18
*** RIVER *** [3h Ac 9d Kh] [Jd]
abdi122: checks
El Greco XIX: bets $65
abdi122 said, "****"
abdi122 said, "A/Q"
abdi122: folds
Uncalled bet ($65) returned to El Greco XIX
El Greco XIX collected $72.50 from pot
El Greco XIX: doesn't show hand
abdi122 said, "gppd bet"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $75.50 | Rake $3
Board [3h Ac 9d Kh Jd]
Seat 1: baddorotty folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Swtwtr25 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: abdi122 folded on the River
Seat 6: El Greco XIX (button) collected ($72.50)
Seat 7: majinbu (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: fesar (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: curtisjames7 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

a7 oop is fold pre

Folded to the CO is not oop, so opening is fine. I probably dont bet the flop and turn though, but oop is tough it probably doesnt matter, even with the draw you dont want to have a huge pot here but cant really control it. You are getting odds on the only the flush on the raise so thats an auto call. Tough hand really I dont see any huge errors since there really is probably no way of controling the pot here.

ok, ty widowmaker, I was thinking I maybe messed up playing the hand

Here's another question for all, I constantly keep making moves like this on the button and cut-off and was wondering should I keep doing them or stop them all together because they sometimes back fire and horribly may I add

PokerStars Game #19053646091: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/07/23 - 21:56:52 (ET)
Table 'Iridium' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: $chmidter ($95.60 in chips)
Seat 2: Royal164 ($78.65 in chips)
Seat 3: bradster38 ($17.50 in chips)
Seat 4: ploinko ($96 in chips)
Seat 5: elms007 ($20.50 in chips)
Seat 6: Equimax ($40.60 in chips)
Seat 7: abdi122 ($165.55 in chips)
Seat 8: Lucretius999 ($122.30 in chips)
Seat 9: wheeldog00 ($68.25 in chips)
Lucretius999: posts small blind $0.50
wheeldog00: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to abdi122 [3h 4h]
$chmidter: folds
Royal164: folds
bradster38: calls $1
ploinko: folds
elms007: folds
Equimax: folds
abdi122: raises $3 to $4
Lucretius999: folds
wheeldog00: folds
bradster38: calls $3
*** FLOP *** [Ks Jc Qh]
bradster38: checks
abdi122: bets $7
bradster38: folds
Uncalled bet ($7) returned to abdi122
abdi122 collected $9.05 from pot
abdi122: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $9.50 | Rake $0.45
Board [Ks Jc Qh]
Seat 1: $chmidter folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Royal164 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: bradster38 folded on the Flop
Seat 4: ploinko folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: elms007 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Equimax folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: abdi122 (button) collected ($9.05)
Seat 8: Lucretius999 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: wheeldog00 (big blind) folded before Flop

naruto_miu said:

Zackvac I don't think there good at all, I personally think out of this whole table I think maybe 2 players are ok, and 2 are above good but as for the rest I think there beyond retarded, lol

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Yeah the only really solid player I saw there was high pot head and as mentioned sodom's just plain a tight sser who will push like AQ+/77+.

naruto_miu said:

one more thing just tell me if I did something wrong in this hand, if so tell me what u would've done differently, or was it just a bad play from the start, the guy in this hand is one of those good players on this table, but he has a piece of me coming to him eventually (hopefully, lol)
PokerStars Game #19050814991: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/07/23 - 19:57:33 (ET)
Table 'Kajam II' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: baddorotty ($44 in chips)
Seat 2: Swtwtr25 ($100 in chips)
Seat 3: abdi122 ($217.15 in chips)
Seat 6: El Greco XIX ($169.90 in chips)
Seat 7: majinbu ($19.50 in chips)
Seat 8: fesar ($90.05 in chips)
Seat 9: curtisjames7 ($66.75 in chips)
majinbu: posts small blind $0.50
fesar: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to abdi122 [Ah 7h]
curtisjames7: folds
baddorotty: folds
Swtwtr25: folds
abdi122: raises $3 to $4
El Greco XIX: calls $4
majinbu: folds
fesar: folds
*** FLOP *** [3h Ac 9d]
abdi122: bets $5
El Greco XIX: calls $5
*** TURN *** [3h Ac 9d] K♥
abdi122: bets $10
El Greco XIX: raises $18 to $28
abdi122: calls $18
*** RIVER *** [3h Ac 9d Kh] J♦
abdi122: checks
El Greco XIX: bets $65
abdi122 said, "****"
abdi122 said, "A/Q"
abdi122: folds
Uncalled bet ($65) returned to El Greco XIX
El Greco XIX collected $72.50 from pot
El Greco XIX: doesn't show hand
abdi122 said, "gppd bet"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $75.50 | Rake $3
Board [3h Ac 9d Kh Jd]
Seat 1: baddorotty folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Swtwtr25 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: abdi122 folded on the River
Seat 6: El Greco XIX (button) collected ($72.50)
Seat 7: majinbu (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: fesar (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: curtisjames7 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

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This is never a bluff from him, he doesn't make a lot of moves, and is pretty much just a straightforward TAG. Probably AK or a set here.

naruto_miu said:

Here's another question for all, I constantly keep making moves like this on the button and cut-off and was wondering should I keep doing them or stop them all together because they sometimes back fire and horribly may I add

PokerStars Game #19053646091: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/07/23 - 21:56:52 (ET)
Table 'Iridium' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: $chmidter ($95.60 in chips)
Seat 2: Royal164 ($78.65 in chips)
Seat 3: bradster38 ($17.50 in chips)
Seat 4: ploinko ($96 in chips)
Seat 5: elms007 ($20.50 in chips)
Seat 6: Equimax ($40.60 in chips)
Seat 7: abdi122 ($165.55 in chips)
Seat 8: Lucretius999 ($122.30 in chips)
Seat 9: wheeldog00 ($68.25 in chips)
Lucretius999: posts small blind $0.50
wheeldog00: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to abdi122 [3h 4h]
$chmidter: folds
Royal164: folds
bradster38: calls $1
ploinko: folds
elms007: folds
Equimax: folds
abdi122: raises $3 to $4
Lucretius999: folds
wheeldog00: folds
bradster38: calls $3
*** FLOP *** [Ks Jc Qh]
bradster38: checks
abdi122: bets $7
bradster38: folds
Uncalled bet ($7) returned to abdi122
abdi122 collected $9.05 from pot
abdi122: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $9.50 | Rake $0.45
Board [Ks Jc Qh]
Seat 1: $chmidter folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Royal164 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: bradster38 folded on the Flop
Seat 4: ploinko folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: elms007 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Equimax folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: abdi122 (button) collected ($9.05)
Seat 8: Lucretius999 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: wheeldog00 (big blind) folded before Flop

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Definitely fine to do, but to avoid it getting out of control if they call your cbet most of the time you should just give up. Also look at the fold to flop cbet stat of your opponent if you have a HUD. If they're only folding 20% to cbets you can't be cbetting them with air, they just call too much.

100nl certainly is interesting, as it's filled with a mix of pretty decent players and extreme donks (see this: [old link~tb]
So I would just avoid tangling with the other good regs (speedle, fatdan, highpothead, xpsomethingorother, the king, probably missing a few). I've heard that as you move up you have to start making moves on the regs, but at this point why try to make moves on good players when there are plenty of bad players?

Also, did you recently move up? And do you multi-table? I may see you around at the tables.

Actually i'm just experimenting with it, really I don't play this level at all, but got tired of just playing .25/.50, So as it stands now I'm just really ****ing around with it, oh and btw, I'm extremly under rolled for this level, so I wouldn't suggest for anyone to do this, the reason I'm doing it is cuz really I got enough to last me in the .10/.25 level just incase i go on a bad run, and yes I do multi-table but usually mtts, tourneys, and lately got into a cash frenzy, why? I really couldn't tell u