"2013" new year,new poker career

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Hey guys and gals,
Alright, so ive played the entire year of 2012 from january untill december. i had some good runs in tourneys. i had some good runs in cash.Im not going to mention the bad runs cause i want this thread to have an optimistic note. i signed up to pokerforums and ive read and watched alot of poker videos online.
ive cashed out some extra change i had on stars.my bankroll is currently ZERO.
All good untill now. YEAR 2013. january 1st. im depositing 1000 euros which is 1300 dollars. im siting down at the 50 dollar tables and im planning on making it rain. thats 26 buy ins.
there is no way im moving to any table lower than .25-.50. If i lose this money the 26 buy ins. im quitting. im not going to be wasting the rest of my life spending all my money making these online poker site owners rich.
i figure ive reached a point where i want to play the game properly. im not ever going to tilt. im never going to lose more than 3 buy ins in the same session.
My goal is to make the 1300 dollars into 10 k. i dont know how long that is going to take at these limits. what i do know is that im a man on a mission with alot of experience in my resume.
im not the HUD user and the holdem manager user.im your average good online player that can spot the fish at the table(assuming its not me) and i know how to use my stack to bully people around (if i sense weakness or fear). and i know when to FOLD.
and Im not going to forget to have fun while trying to reach this goal.
SO yea thats a wrap. thats my plan for 2013.
i wish everyone a merry xmas and a happy new year. and if anyone wants to share their poker plans. this thread is always here to share your thoughts.
good luck to everyone.
 
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Do you at least use software to track your winnings and losses? Gl to you I would never have the stones to do it this way but hey rrrrruuunnnnnggggoooooodddddddd :D
 
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Good luck man. I'll be following. Hope you keep us updated at least periodically.
 
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If you have played so much in 2012 why are you depositing $1.3k to play $50nl with 26 buy ins.

Sorry mate, that is going to be a train wreck. Unless you want to spazz off a grand I would start with $250, and be a BR nit at $5nl.

"im your average good online player"

This is a really annoyance of mine. Who doesnt think this? This is an egotistical,subjective throwaway comment. And is more often than not lightyears from reality

If you can say, for example, I am beating 20nl for 2.5bbls at a 40k+ sample size, then fine. Deposit bigger and test your hand at 50nl but otherwise find a game you beat and take shots higher as and when you want.

If I had time I would dissect your post further and point out the things you have said that highlight this as a bad idea.

good luck either way, I GENUINELY mean that, but I do think its the wrong approach.
 
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OP if you want to deposit $1K then seriously play nl$25 until you are beating it for a decent sample. My own BRM strategy has me playing nl$25 from $1,250-$2,500. (there is overlap strategy involved in moving up, I 9 table and add on nl$50 table at a time until im fully up at 2.5K)
 
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Well what op is saying really is not a poker career its more like I'm fed up with this game and going to go balls deep theirs no way this can last over a large sample so its not really a career.
 
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Good Luck.

I recently found this tool the Fergulator that does furgusens BRM.

google Fergulator

but anyhow it says you should buy in for 65$ or less and leave when you have 137.22$ if you have a 1300$ roll for cash games.
 
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Sounds like a carefully crafted plan for failure. Do you have a backup plan in case Dorkus is wrong & the world doesn't end Friday?
Good luck either way. :)
 
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Do you at least use software to track your winnings and losses? Gl to you I would never have the stones to do it this way but hey rrrrruuunnnnnggggoooooodddddddd :D
no i dont man,im going to track them manually on apiece of paper like a caveman. seriously. but if i make a buck ill probably look into pokertracker or smthng.but yea im starting off without it.
If you have played so much in 2012 why are you depositing $1.3k to play $50nl with 26 buy ins.

Sorry mate, that is going to be a train wreck. Unless you want to spazz off a grand I would start with $250, and be a BR nit at $5nl.

"im your average good online player"

This is a really annoyance of mine. Who doesnt think this? This is an egotistical,subjective throwaway comment. And is more often than not lightyears from reality

If you can say, for example, I am beating 20nl for 2.5bbls at a 40k+ sample size, then fine. Deposit bigger and test your hand at 50nl but otherwise find a game you beat and take shots higher as and when you want.

If I had time I would dissect your post further and point out the things you have said that highlight this as a bad idea.

good luck either way, I GENUINELY mean that, but I do think its the wrong approach.
dude thanks for the reply.im starting at 1 k because that is around where i would used to cash out.so im going to up the stakes alittle bit. try to make a little bit more profit. as far as the "im your average online good player". i dont see whats wrong with that statement. i dont like being pessimistic. should i have said: i am a really crappy player or im the best of the best? im an average player that "AT TIMES" feel like phil ivy and there r some other times that i run worse than u can imagine.but overall i got a really good feel of the game.and i am very creative if the board helps ;) nothing wrong with that man. self confidence never hurt anyone. if i lose the 1000, so be it.but if i run the way i wanna run and play my A game ill be here bragging about it. anyways bud thnks for the post and ill let you know if the train crashes or breaks through the barrier.
 
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OP if you want to deposit $1K then seriously play nl$25 until you are beating it for a decent sample. My own BRM strategy has me playing nl$25 from $1,250-$2,500. (there is overlap strategy involved in moving up, I 9 table and add on nl$50 table at a time until im fully up at 2.5K)
yea maybe ill start off at those limits so i dont go totally crazy. i have alot of experience at 25NL .i used to play that for a LONG time and i definitely feel comfortable at those limits but wouldnt 1300 dollars be overolled for that.ok yea it would be safer but wouldnt the progress be slower? why not just jump into 50 NL? with 1.3k bankroll? just asking.
 
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Good Luck.

I recently found this tool the Fergulator that does furgusens BRM.

google Fergulator

but anyhow it says you should buy in for 65$ or less and leave when you have 137.22$ if you have a 1300$ roll for cash games.
yea man i checked it out.looks cool. i might just use it. thnks man for the help and for posting in general.u always have alot of valuable things to say in ALL your posts.:D
 
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another thing i wanna work on is try to get supernova on stars.man that would be great. ive managed to get up to platinum.never made supernova. cause i started the serious grinding after october this year and didnt play the higher micros consistently enough. but starting january first 2013, ill have a whole year ahead of me so i wanna start right away.dont wanna lose any time. thats a whole different thread topic but ill just throw it in here as one of my plans. thats why i wanna get into the 50NL immediately.in order to gather VPP's quicker.
 
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yea maybe ill start off at those limits so i dont go totally crazy. i have alot of experience at 25NL .i used to play that for a LONG time and i definitely feel comfortable at those limits but wouldnt 1300 dollars be overolled for that.ok yea it would be safer but wouldnt the progress be slower? why not just jump into 50 NL? with 1.3k bankroll? just asking.

I play 9 tables myself, and generally i concentrate on good tables across nl$25-50, the amount of good nl$50 tables is usually wayy less than at $25.

Its just really to get started at nl$25, mainly because if you start on a 10bi downswing or something then you have lost 38% of your roll on nl$$50 and only 19% if you were playing nl$25. I just think that you have very little margin of error by playing nl$50 on 26 buyins. IF you dont think that a 10bi downswing will happen then you have little understanding of variance.
 
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I play 9 tables myself, and generally i concentrate on good tables across nl$25-50, the amount of good nl$50 tables is usually wayy less than at $25.

Its just really to get started at nl$25, mainly because if you start on a 10bi downswing or something then you have lost 38% of your roll on nl$$50 and only 19% if you were playing nl$25. I just think that you have very little margin of error by playing nl$50 on 26 buyins. IF you dont think that a 10bi downswing will happen then you have little understanding of variance.
no no.i totally get what you mean. so yea maybe ill just start off by 2 tabling the 25NL zoom to avoid that kind of scenario. in my mind losing 10 BI means not playing good and when that happens to me i always feel like im doing smthng wrong. do you think you can play your A game,not make any mistakes and lose 10 BI due to just running bad? or getting sucked out on back to back. One more thing. what is your definition of a good table? tables where youve made notes on people that are too cally? tables that have a high average pot size? ....?
 
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All this sort of stuff is the stuff that you need to have correct in your own mind before you are playing meaningful stakes. Personally i color code all the regs/shortstackers and fish so i can see from the lobby if the table is going to be good. I will play on a table with a fish regardless of the number of SS/Regs. I wont play on a FR table with over 4 regs, unless they are bad. Generally there is enough tables running to warrent being so fussy. I usally filter by plrs/flop.

Yes you can easily go on a 10bi downswing without doing anything wrong at all, we use bankroll managment to minimise the mathmatical risk of ruin, so that we can handle the swings without ever losing our roll.

Have you pokertracking software ? oh nl$25 zoom is a pita.
 
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All this sort of stuff is the stuff that you need to have correct in your own mind before you are playing meaningful stakes. Personally i color code all the regs/shortstackers and fish so i can see from the lobby if the table is going to be good. I will play on a table with a fish regardless of the number of SS/Regs. I wont play on a FR table with over 4 regs, unless they are bad. Generally there is enough tables running to warrent being so fussy. I usally filter by plrs/flop.

Yes you can easily go on a 10bi downswing without doing anything wrong at all, we use bankroll managment to minimise the mathmatical risk of ruin, so that we can handle the swings without ever losing our roll.

Have you pokertracking software ? oh nl$25 zoom is a pita.
PITA? lol what do u mean? its crappy? no i dont have software but MAN after all the things ive read here i think i gotta get one before doing anything else. not sure f its gonna help but it sure would be good to know what kind of an opponent im faced with.
You know what BOB. i think that im a pretty good player without using any software and im starting to think that getting one would make my profit increase bigtime. not sure if that is true but taking into consideration all the fuss going on with pokertracker and holdem manager and all that. Am i missing something? is that like the first thing that i should have bought before even making an account on stars? i hope i havent been running blind all this time and when i realise it i will be thinking:" why didnt i get this sooner"...u look like someone who surely reccomends it .?
 
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If you can afford it, and you believe in yourself, great. You don't mention any plans for tourney's.

Caution will not hurt.

Best of luck to you.
 
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If you can afford it, and you believe in yourself, great. You don't mention any plans for tourney's.

Caution will not hurt.

Best of luck to you.
i love tournies and they are ,for me, my biggest strength.i always run good in tourneys and cash more often than not,even min cash. but u know what; ive taken some pretty bad beats late in tourneys lately and i have come to the conclusion that i dont wanna spend THAT many hours playing tournies anymore.they are too time-consuming and i really wanna just go for the rakeback,the instant profit and the experience you get from cash. So besides the sunday big tourneys on stars that i might take a shot at here and there.my primary plan is to focus strictly on Cash games .
 
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pita=pain in the ass.

Definitely get holdem manager or pokertracker 4. Both have 30 day free trials. I mean you should be able to beat the games without it but its a pretty major edge your giving up. Especially on the zoom tables.

Imagine being able to sit into a session and instantly have stats on almost all the players ? Thats what you are playing against. 100% recommend at least trying out one of the trials.

PITA? lol what do u mean? its crappy? no i dont have software but MAN after all the things ive read here i think i gotta get one before doing anything else. not sure f its gonna help but it sure would be good to know what kind of an opponent im faced with.
You know what BOB. i think that im a pretty good player without using any software and im starting to think that getting one would make my profit increase bigtime. not sure if that is true but taking into consideration all the fuss going on with pokertracker and holdem manager and all that. Am i missing something? is that like the first thing that i should have bought before even making an account on stars? i hope i havent been running blind all this time and when i realise it i will be thinking:" why didnt i get this sooner"...u look like someone who surely reccomends it .?
 
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Guys thanks so much for the information.I really appreciate it! it s a great thing to be able to talk to others about poker and get feedback. im sure glad i signed up to this forum.learned so many great things and heard so many different opinions. Priceless.
 
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Telling yourself you're "average good" or pretty good or above average or anything else similar is unproductive and may even be counter-productive if it leads you to play against opponents who are better than you are. So quit telling yourself things like this. Anyone who has an opinion of your game won't suddenly change it because of what you say. So basically, all you're doing is stroking your ego.

And are you beating NL25 and or NL50 now? If not, what makes you think that the turn of the calendar will change that?
 
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where theres a will theres a way. good luck on the new year. hope u reach ur goals just remember theres always things to learn in poker especially playin online and its ok to move down if ur not winning ur desired stake. but hope u start winning off the bat goodluck!
 
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Telling yourself you're "average good" or pretty good or above average or anything else similar is unproductive and may even be counter-productive if it leads you to play against opponents who are better than you are. So quit telling yourself things like this. Anyone who has an opinion of your game won't suddenly change it because of what you say. So basically, all you're doing is stroking your ego.

And are you beating NL25 and or NL50 now? If not, what makes you think that the turn of the calendar will change that?
as far as the stroking my ego thing u mentioned.maybe ur right.i agree that maybe the im good or im the best thingy is a bit cocky or childish or even yea maybe unproductive. but u know what is my personal opinion on this issue?. i think every single player goes through phases of learning.after years of hearing the same rules and applying them and practicing them,i think we all reach a point where we are all at the same level. THE PREMIUM LEVEL. now i personally think that what makes the difference from a good player and a great player or even THE BEST player is how often they can apply what they have learned in a consistent manner. some people can maintiain their A game for "ever" or at least for a large part of the time ,while others have a play good switch that they turn on and off according to how tilted they are,how tired they may be or many other external factors. SO taking this into account,thats why i just said im an average player. anyways yea i can definitely beat the 25NL . the reason im talking about the new year is cause i beat these limits for a while and then i cash out before knowing how far i can take my bankroll.usually between 300-1000 dollars. i dont give it time to move up a level and grow my bankroll gradually. i never had longtermish goals. coming the new year im going to start at the 50nl and try to slowly and gradually play my A game and move up levels.im going "PRO". in regards to BRM. im gonna try to play 50 NL and see how it goes.ive played it before and didnt do too bad on it.problem was that because i was underbankrolled for the particular table,i could not play as aggressively as i wanted to .and aggression can be very profitable in the right spots. but if ur playing the 50NL with 500 dollars,its not as easy to shove the flushdraw on the flop as it would be if i had 1300, which for me would be a standard move.
 
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