My 1k post

It has come that time where I have reached my first milestone, 1k posts.
I thought about what to post about for my 1k, and was going to go with leaks in my game, but then thought I can do that another time. So I decided to post about the things that irritate me while playing live either in a casino or a home game.

So the first one and probably the one that irritates me the most is when a player says "I'll put you all in". This in my opinion is very rude and in a example I will give below can be costly. If you have a player covered and want to put them all in just say "I'm all in" or "all in". Here are 3 examples of things that happened with me in the hand when players have said "I'll put you all in".

First one happened just the other night, playing at a friends house we get heads up, and its winner take all, he offers a split me $20 him $80 because he has me covered 4-1 he has 83k I have 17k. I said no lets play if you beat me you beat me. So first hand its on him and he says "I'll put you all in" to which I replied "I can't call, but since you said that I'm gonna win now" he said "said what", "I'll put you all in" I told him. He was like "so" and i told him "It's rude and not good etiquette to say, so I'll beat you for saying it". 4 hands later I doubles up through him, and then again a bit later and finally finish him off when my Q4 beat his 93 on a board that was K 9 3 Q 4. I gladly took the $100 and said "I told ya".

Then I was playing at the casino it was early morning like 4-5am and there were only 3 $1/$2 tables going, I'm sitting with about $180 in front of me and the table I got moved to had this old man on my left, I folded for the first 45 minutes and the old man turns to me and says "are you going to play a hand or just wait for the nuts" I didn't respond. So a few hands later I get dealt 2 2 in the BB no raises so I'm happy to see a flop flop comes out 10 8 2 with two hearts on board so I check old man bets out $15 all the others fold and I just call. Turn is an 8 giving me a full house, so I check old man bets $45 I think for a few seconds and just call river is a Q no more hearts hit, so I'm pretty sure he is gonna bet because he has been very aggressive in the time I have sat there so i check once again and he says "I'll put you all in" I look at him and say "NO YOUR NOT PUTTING ME ALL IN BECAUSE I HAVE THE BEST HAND I CALL" and I flip over my hand, he looks and says "I thought you were on a flush draw" I counted my chips he paid me off and I racked my chips and left he was not happy about the hit and run .

The last example is how it can cost you to say those words. Again I'm in the casino playing 1/2 nl I'm sitting with about $450 in front of me, been playing at this table for 5 hours or so with pretty much the same players. The guy 3 to my left has been there a long time and has around $900 then this hand happens. I'm sitting middle position and guy to my left is dealer, UTG+1 raises to $12 and has about $85 left in front of him, I look down and see JJ so I call, and then button looks at the UTG+1 player and says "I'll put you all in". now this player has been raising alot usually not with anything, so the UTG player calls and I call, button did not see me call and flips his cards he had QQ, dealer tells the button that I was still in the hand and the button says "were all in" and I said "no you put him all in your bet is $85 we can still bet on the side" so he turns his cards back over and since this is a cash game his hand is not dead. Flop comes AK3 and I look at the player and say "well knowing what you have I'M ALL IN" and player angrily throws his cards in the muck and I happily turn over my JJ which pisses the player off even more. Now in this instance if the button had said "I'm all in" then I probably fold, but if I don't then he beats me, but since his bet was only $85 and he thought they were all in I made it seem like I had him beat with the 2 overs on board.

Now another thing that irritates me while playing live is a player that thinks they know what pot odds are and makes a horrible call thinking they have pot odds when they don't yet they hit. When asked how do you make that call they say "I had pot odds" to which I tell them "you didn't have pot odds, there was $65 in the pot and it was $45 for you to call and you were a 4-1 under dog and getting less than 2-1 pot odds". then they really top it off with "well it worked out for me"

Next is the player that wears headphones and is constantly asking what the bet is to him. Look dude either take the headphones off or wear in a way you can hear whats going on. I wear headphones while I play live but I keep one ear out so I know whats going on. They are just slowing up the play.

And lastly is mainly the Taj in Atlantic City, a buddy and me went there and got into the midnight tourney its a $50 entry start with $10,000 in chips. So I sit at my table and the tourney starts, 15 minutes later a new dealer sits down and counts the cards, another 15 minutes and a new dealer sits and counts the cards. I'm like what the hell clock is running and were getting like 5-7 hands in and then it takes 2-3 minutes for the dealer to get set and start dealing. Mountaineer does it right they don't change tournament dealers until a break so it doesn't affect the play.

So that is some things that irritate me while playing live, I hope that people realize the "I'll put you all in" thing is being rude and sometimes costly.

I really enjoy this forum lots of great people willing to help, and have fun. I have really enjoy the winter league and all the invasions. I will be posting my leaks very soon to get help solving them. This probably was not as interesting as some others milestone post but I hope it wasn't a total bore.

Some of those things irritate all of us lol.

Congrats on 1k!

congrats on your 1K bud!!

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Grossberger said:

It has come that time where I have reached


Now another thing that irritates me while playing live is a player that thinks they know what pot odds are and makes a horrible call thinking they have pot odds when they don't yet they hit. When asked how do you make that call they say "I had pot odds" to which I tell them "you didn't have pot odds, there was $65 in the pot and it was $45 for you to call and you were a 4-1 under dog and getting less than 2-1 pot odds". then they really top it off with "well it worked out for me"

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Congrats on your 1000th post!


That is also a huge pet peave of mine. About 4 or 5 months ago I was at a casino in San Diego and I was at a relatively average 1-2 table. About 4-5 regs, and the rest were casual players. This one guy in particular was bragging about how he had started off the night earlier with $80 on the table. (Max buy in at that casino was $100 for 1-2) and now he was sitting with about $800 in front of him.

He was on a - beyond sick - burner, hitting 1-6 outers every time the money went in. I'd seen him bust about 3 or 4 people out with absolutely donkish calls. He then started to educate the woman sitting next to him (who also was a casual player) about how he would make those calls b/c of pot odds. I kept my mouth shut b/c nothing could have been further from the truth.

Eventually, him and I ended up being heads up in a big hand. I had about $200 in front of me, the pot size was about $70 or so on the turn...I had flopped a set and I knew he was drawing on either an open ended straight - or even more likely a gutshot - so I overbet the pot on the turn knowing the nitwit is going to call. River comes his miracle gutshot (which it had ended up being). So he immediately says to the woman next to him, "See, what I was telling you, pot odds." And she was like, "wow, they really work"....and that point I couldn't hold it in anymore, so I tell the lady," Honey, if you listen to that guy you'll be broke in no time."

So the guy takes offense and says, "What are you talking about?" And I reply, "If you knew anything about pot odds you would have realized that there wasn't enough money on the table if we were to add everyone's chips up - even the ones that weren't in the hand - to justify that donkish call."
So he gives the typical fish response, "Well it worked, didn't it?" lol

So we continue to play. At that point I wasn't leaving the table until I personally busted the guy. About 3 hours go by and he had lost about $500 - still had about $400 in front of him. I also had built my stack up to about $400...then finally a monster flop against him, heads up... I was holding AK...flopped the nut broadway straight with 2 hearts on the board....I play it fast b/c I know he's calling....about $400 in the pot by the time the turn hits - another heart....I was holding the Ah, so I figured even if this luckbox hit his flush on the turn I still had enough outs to justify calling a decent sized bet...he bets $100, obviously I call....river hearts.....I push, donk calls and gets stacked....he turns over 78h....I can't help but yell out, "That's pot odds!"

The whole table starting laughing and congratulated me as the donk goes balistic, huffing and puffing - got up from his chair ran around totally looking like he was gonna kill himself.....one of the most satisfying moments of my poker career.

I agree on the headphones point but not the rest.

On the pot odds issue I think it's actually you that's in the wrong - isn't educating the fish one of the biggest sins in poker?!?

As for the dealer checking the deck when he sits down, you've got all sorts of things wrong there. First, the deck doesn't get counted just because there's a dealer push. Sometimes you'll see dealers do it between hands without a change too. Second, leaving the same dealer on the table until it breaks is impractical. Breaks are usually a few hours apart (much longer than the casino would normally leave for dealer changes) and they're usually scheduled to coincide with colour-ups so the dealers will already be busy doing that.

And the "I'll put you all in" thing? Sure it's not strictly speaking accurate (as opposed to, say "I'll bet enough to put you all in") but I really don't see the problem. What is interesting is that the phrase seems to put you on bajungi tilt. If I were you I'd be a lot more concerned with getting a leash on that behaviour than I would be with people saying it in the first place.

Happy 1K though.

Grossberger said:

And lastly is mainly the Taj in Atlantic City, a buddy and me went there and got into the midnight tourney its a $50 entry start with $10,000 in chips. So I sit at my table and the tourney starts, 15 minutes later a new dealer sits down and counts the cards, another 15 minutes and a new dealer sits and counts the cards. I'm like what the hell clock is running and were getting like 5-7 hands in and then it takes 2-3 minutes for the dealer to get set and start dealing. Mountaineer does it right they don't change tournament dealers until a break so it doesn't affect the play.

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Yes, this is bad, it's worse when you are playing a sit-n-go satty. Last time I was out in vegas I entered a 10 player SnG satty to WPT at the Belagio. Blinds raise fast and before you know it there changing dealers, and they were slow about it. I was like do they stop the clock? Guy sitting next to me was pissed to but said they do it all the time and they have been asked to stop it. WTF?

Congrats on 1000 posts.

Kasanova King said:

Congrats on your 1000th post!


That is also a huge pet peave of mine. About 4 or 5 months ago I was at a casino in San Diego and I was at a relatively average 1-2 table. About 4-5 regs, and the rest were casual players. This one guy in particular was bragging about how he had started off the night earlier with $80 on the table. (Max buy in at that casino was $100 for 1-2) and now he was sitting with about $800 in front of him.

He was on a - beyond sick - burner, hitting 1-6 outers every time the money went in. I'd seen him bust about 3 or 4 people out with absolutely donkish calls. He then started to educate the woman sitting next to him (who also was a casual player) about how he would make those calls b/c of pot odds. I kept my mouth shut b/c nothing could have been further from the truth.

Eventually, him and I ended up being heads up in a big hand. I had about $200 in front of me, the pot size was about $70 or so on the turn...I had flopped a set and I knew he was drawing on either an open ended straight - or even more likely a gutshot - so I overbet the pot on the turn knowing the nitwit is going to call. River comes his miracle gutshot (which it had ended up being). So he immediately says to the woman next to him, "See, what I was telling you, pot odds." And she was like, "wow, they really work"....and that point I couldn't hold it in anymore, so I tell the lady," Honey, if you listen to that guy you'll be broke in no time."

So the guy takes offense and says, "What are you talking about?" And I reply, "If you knew anything about pot odds you would have realized that there wasn't enough money on the table if we were to add everyone's chips up - even the ones that weren't in the hand - to justify that donkish call."
So he gives the typical fish response, "Well it worked, didn't it?" lol

So we continue to play. At that point I wasn't leaving the table until I personally busted the guy. About 3 hours go by and he had lost about $500 - still had about $400 in front of him. I also had built my stack up to about $400...then finally a monster flop against him, heads up... I was holding AK...flopped the nut broadway straight with 2 hearts on the board....I play it fast b/c I know he's calling....about $400 in the pot by the time the turn hits - another heart....I was holding the Ah, so I figured even if this luckbox hit his flush on the turn I still had enough outs to justify calling a decent sized bet...he bets $100, obviously I call....river hearts.....I push, donk calls and gets stacked....he turns over 78h....I can't help but yell out, "That's pot odds!"

The whole table starting laughing and congratulated me as the donk goes balistic, huffing and puffing - got up from his chair ran around totally looking like he was gonna kill himself.....one of the most satisfying moments of my poker career.

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This story made me laugh dude. But remeber tho ur tapping on the glass when ur tellin villain "so I tell the lady," Honey, if you listen to that guy you'll be broke in no time."Keep ur mouth shut & let him think he's getting the right pot odds to call for his gutshot/OESD. Telling him might make him change his game and stop chasing in the future.

Oh yeah welldone on the 1K post dude! I mite make one

:icon_thum Congrats on the 1K posts Grossberger!

Yeah, I guess you really do detest that 'I'll put you all in' thing since I read in another thread how you'll @ least leave the other peep 1 chip ...lol...cheers & looking forward to your 2K post regarding game leaks.

So in 1K posts you learned 4 things.

1. That what people say correlates to whether or not you will win.
2. How to angle shoot.
3. How to hit and run.
4. How to educate the fish so they will stop giving you money.

Nice :icon_thum

OzExorcist said:

I agree on the headphones point but not the rest.

On the pot odds issue I think it's actually you that's in the wrong - isn't educating the fish one of the biggest sins in poker?!?

As for the dealer checking the deck when he sits down, you've got all sorts of things wrong there. First, the deck doesn't get counted just because there's a dealer push. Sometimes you'll see dealers do it between hands without a change too. Second, leaving the same dealer on the table until it breaks is impractical. Breaks are usually a few hours apart (much longer than the casino would normally leave for dealer changes) and they're usually scheduled to coincide with colour-ups so the dealers will already be busy doing that.

And the "I'll put you all in" thing? Sure it's not strictly speaking accurate (as opposed to, say "I'll bet enough to put you all in") but I really don't see the problem. What is interesting is that the phrase seems to put you on bajungi tilt. If I were you I'd be a lot more concerned with getting a leash on that behaviour than I would be with people saying it in the first place.

Happy 1K though.

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Well I didn't go into real detail on pot odds its much more than what I told him, they still have to figure out their odds in the hand.

Well where I play at Mountaineer the dealers are rotated on the cash tables every 30 minutes, however in the tournaments they stay at the table until the break and those dealers just rotate in the tournament until it ends. The floor does the color up while the dealers put the cards in order at the break. Now I will add that Mountaineer uses card shufflers so those count the cards but in tournaments time is money the more hands you can get per hour the better you can play IMO.

Nah I don't tilt on that phrase I will however set a perfect trap for someone if they do say it to me or any other person. In all my examples I played good poker the last one was just a matter of knowing what he held I knew there was no way for him to call if I push, becasue if I'm pushing after seeing his cards he has to believe I have him beat. In fact it was him that went on tilt and was felted after about 30 minutes of play, unfortunatly not by me.

*sigh*

How much you told him is irrelevant - he thought he was right, he was making mistakes and now because of you maybe he thinks he's wrong. You just schooled a fish. Whether you gave him the exact right answer or inspired him to go find it for himself is irrelevant because the end result is the same.

On the dealer tournament rotations, your local casino might do it that way but you shouldn't be surprised if they're in the minority. I know for a fact the wsop rotates dealers in the middle of levels and if the biggest tournament series in the world does it that way we probably shouldn't be surprised if smaller casinos do it that way too. Besides, it's not like you're being put at a special disadvantage - everybody at your table misses the same number of hands, and since it's obviously a casino-wide policy everyone in the tournament will miss the same number of hands in the long run. You may as well complain about your table being broken too often.

And on the last point, you've got me curious now: what, exactly, is so wrong with someone saying "I'll put you all in"?

where i play they change dealers every 15-20 minutes..but its not that bad...firstly, alot of the time when they change the dealers the new dealer doesn't checl the cards..unless a player ask ( which i see alot for some reason, not sure why)...and on the occasions they do change the deck, they bring a new deck, so its easily shown to players that there correct and then were off to lose..nicely thought out 1k post..im about 2/3rds of a millenium from that at my rate.

i agree, there are quite a few nuances that bug me live, a lot you mentioned already. I had a guy stack off to me like that once when I flopped bottom set and he flopped top 2, he used those words too "I'll Put you all in" irritates the shit out of me, I hit and ran on his ass.

EDIT: congrats on the milestone, I too hit the same one!

OzExorcist said:

*sigh*

How much you told him is irrelevant - he thought he was right, he was making mistakes and now because of you maybe he thinks he's wrong. You just schooled a fish. Whether you gave him the exact right answer or inspired him to go find it for himself is irrelevant because the end result is the same.

On the dealer tournament rotations, your local casino might do it that way but you shouldn't be surprised if they're in the minority. I know for a fact the WSOP rotates dealers in the middle of levels and if the biggest tournament series in the world does it that way we probably shouldn't be surprised if smaller casinos do it that way too. Besides, it's not like you're being put at a special disadvantage - everybody at your table misses the same number of hands, and since it's obviously a casino-wide policy everyone in the tournament will miss the same number of hands in the long run. You may as well complain about your table being broken too often.

And on the last point, you've got me curious now: what, exactly, is so wrong with someone saying "I'll put you all in"?

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I just think that its rude, I have watched some of the pro's say this same thing that its rude and poor etiquette. Plus they are using more unecessary words "Im all in" 3 words "I'll put you all in" 5 words j/k.
I don't know exactly what it is I just know that when it is said it has always rubbed me the wrong way.

Sean Pilgrim said:

i agree, there are quite a few nuances that bug me live, a lot you mentioned already. I had a guy stack off to me like that once when I flopped bottom set and he flopped top 2, he used those words too "I'll Put you all in" irritates the shit out of me, I hit and ran on his ass.

EDIT: congrats on the milestone, I too hit the same one!

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Yes I seen that and yours was a very informative post I enjoyed the read.

So I'm seeing a correlation here: people who have an irrational reaction to the phrase "I'll put you all in" also like to hit and run.

I'll jhave to remember that

Seriously though, you're having an OTT reaction at the tables to something that's really not that big of a deal. You say it doesn't make you tilt but take a step back and think about it: you're obviously having some kind of emotional reaction to it, why is that? It's certainly not helping your game and what is tilt other than letting your emotions get in the way of your judgement? I'd be taking steps to deal with my own reactions if I were you, rather than complaining every time you hear someone say it.

Some of those things are rather irritating. On the other hand, congrats on 1,000 posts! I might be up there someday, not anytime soon LOL.

Congrats buddy!

OzExorcist said:

So I'm seeing a correlation here: people who have an irrational reaction to the phrase "I'll put you all in" also like to hit and run.

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They also like making south park like characters of themselves lol

Sean Pilgrim said:

They also like making south park like characters of themselves lol

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Erm... did I miss something? The phrase doesn't bother me in the slightest, I don't hit-run and Grossberger doesn't have a South Park avatar.

OzExorcist said:

So I'm seeing a correlation here: people who have an irrational reaction to the phrase "I'll put you all in" also like to hit and run.

I'll jhave to remember that

Seriously though, you're having an OTT reaction at the tables to something that's really not that big of a deal. You say it doesn't make you tilt but take a step back and think about it: you're obviously having some kind of emotional reaction to it, why is that? It's certainly not helping your game and what is tilt other than letting your emotions get in the way of your judgement? I'd be taking steps to deal with my own reactions if I were you, rather than complaining every time you hear someone say it.

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I guess where I'm confused on the tilt thing is I don't see where I tilted. To me if the phrase put me on tilt, then I would just call with any 2 cards to try and suckout on the guy, but I tend to concentrate better on that player and find a tell or his tendancys and then felt him or play in a way that I get him to fold a better hand then show him the bluff thus putting them on tilt. I don't let them know that the phrase is bad until I getthem in a hand where I know I have them beat then say something like "the I'll put you all in thing you said earlier is rude, so I kinda waited for this moment to tell you when I took your money".
I really wish I could come up with a anology to use but can't think of one just yet.

As far as the hit and run thing I have only done that one time and it was to that old man and were going to be leaving in 20 minutes or so anyway I just quit earlier after hitting him for that big hand.

OzExorcist said:

Erm... did I miss something? The phrase doesn't bother me in the slightest, I don't hit-run and Grossberger doesn't have a South Park avatar.

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I guess I was only speaking for myself then

Congrats on your 1K post... That crap makes me mad to..