Can you ever put villain on trips?

dufferdevon

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In low limit games where everyone is willing to stack off with TPTK, can you ever put them on a set? And in what circumstances?

Two hands to illustrate my point. Second one I got very lucky :)

pokerstars Game #19563712100: Tournament #100869283, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2008/08/12 - 14:31:01 (ET)
Table '100869283 394' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: dmkart2006 (6875 in chips)
Seat 2: djgolfcan (2845 in chips)
Seat 3: rooky77 (3160 in chips)
Seat 4: susetti (1830 in chips)
Seat 5: dino531 (3755 in chips)
Seat 6: KlaydGriff (5590 in chips)
Seat 7: fure-eus (2985 in chips)
Seat 8: RingKnalle (2340 in chips)
Seat 9: Rambo'sM60 (4895 in chips)
susetti: posts small blind 50
dino531: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to djgolfcan [7d 7c]
KlaydGriff: raises 400 to 500
fure-eus: folds
RingKnalle: folds
Rambo'sM60: folds
dmkart2006: folds
djgolfcan: calls 500
rooky77: folds
susetti: folds
dino531: folds
*** FLOP *** [4s Jd 7s]
KlaydGriff: checks
djgolfcan: bets 600
KlaydGriff: raises 4490 to 5090 and is all-in
djgolfcan: calls 1745 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (2745) returned to KlaydGriff
*** TURN *** [4s Jd 7s] [Tc]
*** RIVER *** [4s Jd 7s Tc] [7h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
KlaydGriff: shows [Kh Ah] (a pair of Sevens)
djgolfcan: shows [7d 7c] (four of a kind, Sevens)
djgolfcan collected 5840 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5840 | Rake 0
Board [4s Jd 7s Tc 7h]
Seat 1: dmkart2006 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: djgolfcan showed [7d 7c] and won (5840) with four of a kind, Sevens
Seat 3: rooky77 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: susetti (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: dino531 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: KlaydGriff showed [Kh Ah] and lost with a pair of Sevens
Seat 7: fure-eus folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: RingKnalle folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Rambo'sM60 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

PokerStars Game #19563735870: Tournament #100869283, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2008/08/12 - 14:31:59 (ET)
Table '100869283 394' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: dmkart2006 (6875 in chips)
Seat 2: djgolfcan (5840 in chips)
Seat 3: rooky77 (3160 in chips)
Seat 4: susetti (1780 in chips)
Seat 5: dino531 (3655 in chips)
Seat 6: KlaydGriff (2745 in chips)
Seat 7: fure-eus (2985 in chips)
Seat 8: RingKnalle (2340 in chips)
Seat 9: Rambo'sM60 (4895 in chips)
dino531: posts small blind 50
KlaydGriff: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to djgolfcan [Ad Ah]
fure-eus: folds
RingKnalle: folds
Rambo'sM60: folds
dmkart2006: folds
djgolfcan: raises 200 to 300
rooky77: folds
susetti: calls 300
dino531: calls 250
KlaydGriff: calls 200
*** FLOP *** [8s Ts 6s]
dino531: checks
KlaydGriff: checks
djgolfcan: bets 1000
susetti: raises 480 to 1480 and is all-in
dino531: folds
KlaydGriff: folds
djgolfcan: calls 480
*** TURN *** [8s Ts 6s] [9d]
*** RIVER *** [8s Ts 6s 9d] [7s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
djgolfcan: shows [Ad Ah] (a straight, Six to Ten)
susetti: shows [6h 6c] (a straight, Six to Ten)
djgolfcan collected 2080 from pot
susetti collected 2080 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4160 | Rake 0
Board [8s Ts 6s 9d 7s]
Seat 1: dmkart2006 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: djgolfcan showed [Ad Ah] and won (2080) with a straight, Six to Ten
Seat 3: rooky77 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: susetti (button) showed [6h 6c] and won (2080) with a straight, Six to Ten
Seat 5: dino531 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: KlaydGriff (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 7: fure-eus folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: RingKnalle folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Rambo'sM60 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
 
c9h13no3

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On dry flops in ring games, I can put players on sets/weird two pair. But in tournaments where you're not nearly as deep I just get it in.
 
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I think one one to put a person on trips or 2 pair is to watch how they play their AK/AQ. I see alot of people preflop raise big with AK/AQ...if they hit it...then they raise more...if they don't...they limp. Watch the board after the flop. If there's no A/K/Q up...then they might have trips or 2 pair then. I think its one reason why Chris Ferguson suggests raising a pair the same as you would a flush..it gives your opponents the least amount of information on the value of your hand.
 
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Hitting Trips is why we play themid and low pocket pairs , its really dificult to spot and the potential payback is enormous

In the first example were you hit your 77 then assuming 600 is around what you would have bet if you were just representing a hand (i.e. not outside your normal betting patterns) then your post flop play was spot on. The villain raising all in with just overs is the kind of guy we really want at our table

In the second example there is an argument for caution as three went with you to the flop and there was a good chance someone hit hard .

At the point you made your reraise you were against one opponent who had the kind of chipstack where they could well have been making a move with a draw top pair and a flushdraw rather than a made hand.

Personally with 3 spades on the flop I would have laid it down because of with 3 opponents there are too many ways you could be drawing thin to a made flush (or straight) or be against an opponent with combined straight/flush draws however if your opponent had been showing alot of aggression its not the worst play Ive seen (i.e. not in the league of the losing villian in the first hand)
 
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I had similar situation the other night where i had KK under the gun and my raise was called by the button.
When the board came ragged i bet and called a raise, on the turn i pushed and he turns over a set of 4s on the turn.
By the river i made my own set and loved the barrage from him telling me WTF you think i insta-called ur raise ??
I just laughed and asked him for more advise later on ... how was i supposed to put him on a set ? Especially when he calls my PF raise ...
 
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