When the turn is donked on a 3-flush board. What would you do?

I am used to playing poker at higher stakes at another site; however, recently I have been playing the $25 buy-in Zone Poker at Bovada. There is a play that I've seen twice in the past two days that has confused the hell out of me:

I'm heads up against a player who is in the blind. I'm holding either a strong TPTK or overcards. There is a flush draw on the flop. I bet pot. The blind checks. The turn card creates a 3-flush board. The blind donks a pot level bet. I check, thinking this has got to be a bluff. He couldn't possibly be donking if he had a flush on the turn. To my amazement, the blind puts in another pot level bet on the river. I fold, really pissed off at myself for not being able to read my opponent's very weird actions and wasting money.

Once, a while back this happened to me at a $100 buy-in table at a different site. My opponent donked a pot level bet on the turn when a 3-flush appeared on the board. This was a raised pot and I was betting very aggressively, as I had AA. Donking a turn bet when one has a flush and when one is facing an aggressive bettor makes absolutely no sense to me. I went all in, thinking he was on a flush draw. Well, he had the flush by the turn and I lost my entire stack.

I know that sometimes people do crazy shit, and that people on Bovada are the wackiest players on the planet (by a long shot), but, in general, when someone donks a pot level bet on the turn when a 3-flush appears on the board, does he have the flush? How do you handle these situations?

I do it occasionally if it was obvious I was on a flush draw, because I feel it disguises it more. If I check called the flop where there is only a flush draw (no straight draws) against someone betting hard preflop and cbetting flop, and I turn a flush, any decent player will probably check after my check, since flush draw is one of the most probable cards that I'd check-call with on the flop.

Because as it is, if I check turn, they check turn back to me, and then I have to bet for value on river, and it's only 1 street of value. This way I can get extreme value because it looks like I turned some crappy second pair into a bluff when the 3rd flush card came, and overpairs tend to pay me off.


For what it's worth, I play micro 25nl and 10nl, so it works there.

When passive fish do that they have it like 95% of the time. When regs do that they bet usually 1/3 or half pot as u will think that he just wants to scare you and you will raise just like you did there. When aggrodonk does that you can go 2 ways:
1. Your AA will hold up 80% of the time so you can just call and call shove OTR and hope that hes bluffing.
2.(This is what i do) When donk bets full pot i just raise slightly more than double his bet so : if he was bluffing he has to fold now(even agro donks fold to that raise when they have like 1pair hand or sumfin because they think that you have the real flush) if he rereraises you and goes ALL-IN then you fold because unless oponent is ISILDUR1 he wont be bluffing.
However this works for me at micros , so im not sure 100% it will at NL100 , but from what i heard NL100 at Bovada is like NL5 at pokerstars so you can try doing it for some time and see what the results are.

GL

bjj_mat said:

I do it occasionally if it was obvious I was on a flush draw, because I feel it disguises it more. If I check called the flop where there is only a flush draw (no straight draws) against someone betting hard preflop and cbetting flop, and I turn a flush, any decent player will probably check after my check, since flush draw is one of the most probable cards that I'd check-call with on the flop.

Because as it is, if I check turn, they check turn back to me, and then I have to bet for value on river, and it's only 1 street of value. This way I can get extreme value because it looks like I turned some crappy second pair into a bluff when the 3rd flush card came, and overpairs tend to pay me off.


For what it's worth, I play micro 25nl and 10nl, so it works there.

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Very interesting. Thank you!

Speedexas said:

When passive fish do that they have it like 95% of the time. When regs do that they bet usually 1/3 or half pot as u will think that he just wants to scare you and you will raise just like you did there. When aggrodonk does that you can go 2 ways:
1. Your AA will hold up 80% of the time so you can just call and call shove OTR and hope that hes bluffing.
2.(This is what i do) When donk bets full pot i just raise slightly more than double his bet so : if he was bluffing he has to fold now(even agro donks fold to that raise when they have like 1pair hand or sumfin because they think that you have the real flush) if he rereraises you and goes ALL-IN then you fold because unless oponent is ISILDUR1 he wont be bluffing.
However this works for me at micros , so im not sure 100% it will at NL100 , but from what i heard NL100 at Bovada is like NL5 at Pokerstars so you can try doing it for some time and see what the results are.

GL

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Awesome advice! Will definitely being trying it. Thanks!

the_bub said:

Awesome advice! Will definitely being trying it. Thanks!

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Forgot to say that in option 2 if he just calls your raise dont bluff river , just check back.

why can't we just call the river and go for the showdown if we have come to it? I agree if we are donked before we need to reraise.

If I feel someone has flush when the flush making card hits and they bet or raise I usually toss my hand. If I have the flush especially the nut flush and it is on the turn if I am in early position I check to wait for someone to bluff representing the flush and then I allow them to soak themselves. If I am late in position and no one has bet I value bet it and hope others will think I am bluffing from position and all call me.

HAHAHA!!! In the time I spent typing the above post I just played 2 hands back to back on the same table in middle position and used both these methods mentioned above Got paid both times too.

In my experience, a donk shove on that flop is usually a set, two pair or 1 high card of that suit, never a flush.

depends