When to swtich from limit to NL ?

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I'm currently thinking about making a deposit at partypoker (50-70$) where I'll play the limit microstakes until I have a big enough BR for micro-NL. But I guess that the passage from limit, where you hammer out that small edge over and over and stay out of trouble (calling against pot-odds, playing marginal hands) because you basically can't bluff (or it is -EV in the long run), isn't just all about BR. When do you fel that a player is ready to make the move ?
 
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I tried to reply, but rambled too much BS, and it all came down to BR management, and comfort levels.

If you are comfortable and sucessful at limit, don't be in a hurry.
 
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Ok, thanks, the few times that I've played micro limit (live with friends), I've found it incredibly boring (math battles!) but incredibly easy to win at (or at least break even). Can't say that about NL right now where playing "correctly" is not just pot odds, but also implied odds, table image and psychological factors. And altough I could shell out for a bigger BR right now, it' probably safer to keep it very much in control and take baby steps.

Am I right in my assumption that limit holdem approaches Omaha in that you "reads" and "tells" aren't as important as in NL (for very different reasons obviously) ? Everytime I play limit, some guys are trying to bully the table pre-flop and evn on the river (by betting with straight up air) wich is just counterproductive since people are way more likely to call you if they have anything since you can't stack them. Play your cards, be aware of your opponents range (as is possible) and be concerned about pot odds is what I've learned so far.
 
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Reads and tells are equally important in all poker I think.
How they are applied may differ.

For instance, in NL, is that ALL-In bet real? Your reads on a player, his situation, and position give lots of info. Implications are severe.
In Limit, is that raise real ? Same scenario, but implications are lessened.

In Limit Omaha, assuming a stable table, (no maniacs), so many people chase that reads need to be read differently. Perhaps different reads altogether. LAG can get you in trouble in Omaha real fast. TAG will do you well, but may limit the pots if the table see you as TAG.

I think the definitions of LAG and TAG for Omaha would be quite different than for Holdem.
 
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Well, after rereading my post, I agree with you but I still stand by my point that facing very soft competition (every limit table I've played has been full of chasers who do not care about your table image and who bluff wildly !) reads are to be applied differently and are of lesser meaning. In many games I've been, reraising pre-flop only meant you had an Ace and possibly another rag suited: people will play top pocket pairs the way they play less-than decent hands or hands that are easily trapped (K10, AJ, etc.) UTG. Thus, waiting and playing ABC (wich really doesn't focus on the pyschological aspect of the game) is a winning strategy against them.

I don't argue that once you step it up and play the higher stakes, people will be playing a higher level of poker and won't reraise (or plainly enter a pot) with garbage out of position, thus tells are way more significant even in limit. But even then, if you're drawing and facing a reraise on the flop, a good look at odds, even against maniacs who might bet with nothing, comes first.
 
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