When playing 4 tables do I need 4X the bankroll?

when I play 4 tabled do I need 4 X bankrol?

Yeah, I never considered this. But if you're playing single table SnG, keeping to 5% BR, then you'll be rolling 20% of bank in four tables - that sounds likt too much. If you're playing four MTT's (at 2% max), you'll only be risking 8%. For some reason that sounds OK. I think it's time to look it up!

I play 6 max 2NL 4 tabled

Aragveli81 said:

I play 6 max 2NL 4 tabled

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Oh, for cash, I think this is actually covered in the "Ferguson Rules". I'll look for the main reference, but the CC BRM article is here:
https://www.cardschat.com/poker-bankroll-management.php

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A good rule of thumb for cash players is to have at least 20 buy-ins (some players prefer as many as 40-50). That means if you are going to play .05/.10NL and the minimum buy-in for the table is $4, then you would ideally have at least $80 in your account. If you're the kind of player who wants to buy in for the maximum, say $10, then you would want to have $200 in your account.


Ferguson has slightly more conservative limits I think. He has a rule that if you find yourself sitting at any given table with X% of your bankroll in chips, get up from the table. For a 4 table, multi table situation, I think that yes, you need four times the roll you would need for one table of the same stakes.

The recommendations are generally don't risk X amount per table and that doesn't vary based on number of tables. So for example if you use a 5% rule for cash games/SNGs and 2% for MTTs and your roll is $500, you wouldn't want to risk more than $25 per table for cash games/SNGs or $10 for MTTs which gives you 20BIs and 50BIs respectively for the different games. Obviously if you want more buy ins then adjust the percentages as needed as many will recommend depending on your risk tolerance/ability to move up/down as needed/ability to reload.

I've seen players range between 1% and 10% of their roll in action per table, I'd lean towards the lower end!

That said, just because you can play many tables at once doesn't mean you should, since it can be hard to follow the action and make the most of your edge in the game. But straight BRM wise, it's X amount/X percent per table not overall in action at once.

Hello.
It is most important to play in tournaments whose price is acceptable to you, so that you do not feel psychological discomfort. You can set yourself a daily spending limit, for example $ 5, and play only within this amount.

No you do not need 4x the bankroll. I have read that playing multiple tables should reduce the variance, so if you are 4 tabling $2NL and want to use a 20-50 buy-in rule, then you would need 40-100 depending on the rules you set for yourself.

The more your bacrolle, the more confident and relaxed you feel in the game .....

Thank you for your comments I think I need 4X bankroll anyway

Aragveli81 said:

Thank you for your comments I think I need 4X bankroll anyway

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i'm not at the point where I have enough freeroll winnings to use BRM but I've found a site and a minimum stake level I like for cash games. i'd suggest multiplying your bankroll if you are playing multiple tables since you can tilt 4 tables just as easily as tilting one. yes it should cancel some variance but it also puts more at risk especially if you are MTT and lose power/internet and bust them all at once ya know?

on the site I like best (currently) the max buyin is 4 bucks on the cash tables so realistically I think I should have 160 (20x4x2) to play two tables but it would be 200 as a good round number for me.

i'm on a huge burner on this stake level, just a shade over 1,000 hands at 100bb/100. won't last forever but if I can play it out a bit longer i'll have the makings of a bankroll in no time.

sorry for writing so much but I did read somewhere about moving up in stake on multiples. say you're playing 20x buy in for cash and play four tables, so that's 320, well once you hit 330 you could do 3 tables at 4 bucks each and move up in stake on one table to 10.00. just to see how you like it, how stressful, whether it impacts your game, etc...and then when you hit 460 you'd be at 2 tables of each, at 680 you'd have 1/3 and then at 800 you'd have 4 of the 10.00 table. I don't know what the next stake level is but maybe 25.00? so you'd need your 3x20x10 plus 1x20x25 to move up there.

Interesting question indeed. Most us micro limit players lose a lot in burst due tilt, or when we don’t play in optimal condition like drunk or sleepy or too long. You win little for long periods, and lose a lot for short periods. Thus, my hypothesis is that you need more than 4x roll. Not sure though if those 20x rules include multi tabling already, because not many are single tabling.

Personally I just follow 20x regardless the table number.
Maybe @formertroll has a point here.

It fairly easy.. if you can play at a high ability with multiple tables and have a stop loss program to prevent spewing.. doesn’t matter about how many tables you play

if you played in 4table its mean you spend minimum entries in one table . and i think you dont need 4x bankrol.

Depands on what you are playing and how good you are at playing even a single table. If you play mtts a bigger bankroll is required, for cash games you can still do with just a normal br since the variance is way lower.

very interesting topic! by moya logic then yes bankroll x4 but I read the comments and with my logic not everyone agrees, say that several tables should reduce the variance and these words also have common sense !! in general, probably everyone chooses for himself the bankroll he needs, depending on how well the player plays but at least 50bb i think it should be in any case !!!

No.

I think variance can hit badly for 4 tables at same time ! than you need more than one bankroll!?

If you feel more comfortable to have a larger than standard cash game brm dictates while playing multiple tables then it would be beneficial for you to do so.

It's beneficial because its best to eliminate anything you can which may impact how well you play, if following a 20bi brm for cash and having 4+bi in play at the same time makes you even think of needing a bigger br then it may effect you into playing differently as you are obviously feeling like your ROR (risk of ruin) is higher. Even given this I don't think you would need to have a full 20bi/table rule though, and you would still be monitoring the br and have to drop back either way if things go badly, so perhaps even something like an extra 5 bi per extra table might be a happy medium that will provide the comfort level of a larger brm without having to look at 80bi for 4 tables which if looking at 2nl is 160$ (a br that many would be comfortable grinding 5nl at and possibly attempting shots at 10NL).

Now, if your talking zoom tables vs reg tables they can be much more swingy and with lower winrates so some extra padding on the br would never hurt but i think 50bi max should have most feeling comfortable in either format regardless of table count.

Why brm isn't dictated based on number of tables you play generally is because you should know if you are a winner or not at a single table before adding additional tables, and can add tables up to a point where it would start to impact your winrate more than the additional hands provide in profits .... i have a great post out there somewhere on that with graphs and such lol.

If you find a drastic impact on winrate or not feeling like you have time to make correct decisions etc on 4 tables then less tables would be more beneficial until your game and decision making improves on the felt .... but yeah 4 tables shouldn't be too bad (I used to grind up to 16 at one time, more casually manage 2-3 now but constantly have interruptions, he has 4 legs fur and i love him death but he always looks to go out just as i'm sitting to play, so not been doing much serious play although hoping I'll get back on a proper grind eventually)

Not unless it makes your roi go down dramatically playing more tables.

Nope, you have to have 100x times the entrance that tournament if you want to play it.

Let's say I have 10$ and decide to play 0,10 buy-ins, that gives me 100 times the chance to win money with my chosen buy-in level. It doesn't matter from a BRM point of view, whether you play 100 at once or 1 alone. You will have to cash/win anyway in at most 50 games (last ´paid place, assuming it doubles up your buy-in) The point is, that you should play at your most confident stage of skills. You tilt, or play drunk, bad idea!! BRM should be played sober, or you will have to check up next day, where your money has gone.
I play on 4 sites and never open more than one of my chosen games at each site, so 4 tables at once. I finish one game, i open another, might be a second one of a site where i'm already playing or a new one on the site I just went out. 4 tables because of my shabby laptop, once I'll have my monitor back, I will be back to 6 games at once.