When to fold AA/KK/AK post flop?

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Hi just wondering for a 6 Max cash game when do you fold these monster hands post flop?
It's almost impossible for me for fold AA on the flop unless it's 3 of the same suit or straightened like 678 or something like that. The same with AK when the A or K flops it's almost impossible for me to fold on a dry flop.
After betting 3/4 pot on the flop I usually go all in on the turn because I don't like the river. Is this a bad play or should I just bet 3/4 pot again on the turn?
On the flop if they re-raise or call what should I do?
 
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you absolutely in vain put in one row AA / KK and AK hands. AK - this is a strong, but not a ready hand. If you did not get a pair on the flop, your chances with AK are noticeably worse than with AA or KK.
 
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Just bet 2/3 and fold to any raise 10NL and down. Simplest way to play them. To call raise you need a clear reason.
 
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I'm going to check or 30% of the pot, sometimes it's good to hide the strength of your card (hand)! it is very obvious you put everything on the flop, usually who does this is with displays, and 80% go wide, when you let them be the aggressor you have a greater chance of doubling! or you're betting, giving him a chance to try a bluff on you! and do not be afraid of the river!
 
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Just wait till the flop then you can see if you have a reason to play or fold this hand
 
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i think is time to fold AK when the flop comes x Q x and the pot was 3bet
 
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I'm going to check or 30% of the pot, sometimes it's good to hide the strength of your card (hand)! it is very obvious you put everything on the flop, usually who does this is with displays, and 80% go wide, when you let them be the aggressor you have a greater chance of doubling! or you're betting, giving him a chance to try a bluff on you! and do not be afraid of the river!
This is the best advice ever.
 
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Not very often but there are going to be boards and action that will dictate that.
 
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If you look at the statistics, then with AA or KK we win more often than lose when it's win, we say well, this is AA and this is normal, and we forget to play on, but losing with AA we remember for a long time, we must also quickly forget and continue playing
 
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Just bet 2/3 and fold to any raise 10NL and down. Simplest way to play them. To call raise you need a clear reason.

That's how you ensure you never move above 10 nl
 
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I would never limp good hands and will try to figure out what is happening around
 
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That's how you ensure you never move above 10 nl

He is 2NL player and losing. It's better start somewhere 'normal' than make one's own rules. I would be happy to advance 10NL one day, I would guess he would be too,
 
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You can't get better making generalisations, you have to understand why you are doing something. Maybe it is correct but the logic behind the decions is infinitely more important.
 
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I can't answer this as posted.

Every table is different. Every situation requires evaluation and as good as AK is pre-flop it really is just two cards after the flop.

So how good is your read on the players is your next question and how much are you willing to put at risk with AK high? Did you only get one caller or are their two or more?
 
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People keep talking about AK missing the flop. Obviously in this situation I'm not investing another penny but I'm talking about flopping TPTK with AK. It's hard for me to fold that because most of the time it's the best hand.
I realize it's only one pair though and is easily beaten. Even AA or KK on the flop is only one pair and is easily beaten so if someone is re-raising after the flop I have to fold.
With AA and KK I want to get all in preflop. That's how you win big pots with these hands but it has to be the right situation so that the opponent goes all in with you. I'm always 3betting and 4betting no matter what though.
With AK and QQ- I'm not very happy getting all in preflop. Usually I like to see a flop first.
 
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Folding is what you do when you think you can neither bluff the enemy nor be more sure than not that you'll walk away with a profit from your session. :)

If you feel you can comfortably handle losing that money, go ahead and overplay your hand. If you feel you can bluff them based on the situation, then bluff the same as you would with 24offsuit in that situation ;)
 
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People keep talking about AK missing the flop. Obviously in this situation I'm not investing another penny but I'm talking about flopping TPTK with AK. It's hard for me to fold that because most of the time it's the best hand.
I realize it's only one pair though and is easily beaten. Even AA or KK on the flop is only one pair and is easily beaten so if someone is re-raising after the flop I have to fold.
With AA and KK I want to get all in preflop. That's how you win big pots with these hands but it has to be the right situation so that the opponent goes all in with you. I'm always 3betting and 4betting no matter what though.
With AK and QQ- I'm not very happy getting all in preflop. Usually I like to see a flop first.

With AA KK I will get it in preflop every time. AK, not so much. It depends on the player and your read.

on the flop it is a different story. You have to remember AA is ONLY a pair. Would you be willing to get it in with AQ on a QJx 2 flush board against 4 or 5 players? How about 1 really tight player? How about a QJJ board? AA and KK are the same.

As in most things poker, the answer is, "It depends."
 
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AA or AK or other monster hands are the same hands as 27 off and they can be as powerful as they are on AAQ board as 27 on 77K board. It all depends on circumstances and every single situation. We so often fell in love with our so called "strong" hands that betray us in future turn or rivers bringing so much headache:eek: Try to be asmuch realistic as possible;)
 
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In general it depends on the resistance that I'm getting and how loose the table is.

However, at 6-max cash a proper pre-flop bet SHOULD narrow the field to pairs and big suited AX hands. Most 2nd best hands (incl good flush draws and OESDs) aren't going to fold no matter what I bet, so the flop seems to be the best time to throw it all in the middle. My AA is slightly ahead of flush draws and OESDs at that point, so I'm forcing villain to make a mistake. On average slightly ahead means that I'm going to making money long-term. This also applies if an Ace hits the table. Villain is either going to call any bet on the flop, or not call any bet till the river (unless I let him draw to a better hand by not betting).

KK on the other hand is slightly behind, so it makes more sense to play that one out. A lot of resistance can mean a set. Repetitive calling (i.e., flop & turn) usually means that villain is chasing a draw.
 
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Partly depends on the pre and post flop betting. If you suspect everyone has strong starting hands - say JJ or better - then blast away. If you've had limpers into the flop, particularly from the blinds who can have a wider range then I'd play more cautiously.
 
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poker is very much about formulas. These answers have been too nuanced.
 
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Yeah tough question with so many variables, but generally depends on how many players are still in the hand
 
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I think you have to see how others are playing their hands, if you are against with someone that don't play a lot of hands, maybe you need to think that the risk is very high so you have to raise to fold his hand
 
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depends on a persons style more than a board type
 
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I play .02/.05 with decent success. I never fold AA preflop, kk I will only fold if they 3bet me with a insanely tight 3 bet range and enough of a hand history to verify. Like, 1% 3 bet over 500 hands. If it's more than that,or less than 300 hands just 4 bet. AK I will 3 bet vs my opponents vpip/pfr range. If they are wide, 3 bet. If not call and wait for a ace or king postflop. AK is a hard hand to play though. Also, slow playing hyper aggressive players post flop is a good trap. Think 75 aff%. I never have had the need to slow play 30% of these hands. I tend to widen my 3 bet range a tad bit if I'm not getting action. Eventually they'll realize they are folding better hands and start giving me action.
 
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