What's Your Min Requirement for Making a River Call Here?

As the title says, what's your minimum hand requirements to call the pot sized river bet? Villain is 13/13/2.5 over about 50 hands.


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MP1: $121.20
MP2: $99.95
CO: $100.00
BTN: $126.50
SB: $135.45
Hero (BB): $113.35
UTG: $106.65
UTG+1: $110.95
UTG+2: $100.10

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with X X
7 folds, SB raises to $3, Hero calls $2

Flop: ($6.00) 7 ♦ A ♥ Q ♠ (2 players)
SB bets $3.50, Hero calls $3.50

Turn: ($13.00) 2 ♥ (2 players)
SB bets $8.50, Hero raises to $22.50, SB calls $14

River: ($58.00) 9 ♦ (2 players)
SB bets $58, Hero ???

77 for the set. It looks like aq who was betting small on flop to keep you in, but was afraid to put too much in on turn after your raise in case you floated one with two broadway hearts.

His bet makes very little sense and I suppose there are a lot of missed draws out there. I really dont know tbh, because I cant seem him doing this with just 1 ace, I think its going to be either set or air most of the time.

Think you need a set here. Villian I think would have pushed in after your reraise on turn if he had a set to try and take pot there. My guess is he has 2 pr, aces over queens most likely.

I say (bare) minimum to call this would be 77 - but I think a fold may still need to happen if you have that hand - tbh I would not feel comfortable calling this hand with anything less than QQ - and even then I will cry doing it - cuz best case he is sitting on AK - but unless this is a very good bluff - I say hes got the AA - and since there are no flushes or boats possible - he is moving in for kill strike

I think he can have a big Ace or KK,JJ ,KQ ....I will never call with anything less than two two pairs given the action.

I have the feeling that villain hit his set of nines on the river,right ?

Any two pair and I feel good about it.

How often he cbet or double barrel? 50 hands maybe we don't know. I have a genetic defect that causes me to make calls here with something like tpgk. Because I want to know what the he'll be is doing this with.
I'm not saying that right but it just seems real strange to bet the pot when the flush misses on the river. I know I'm practically a calling station but who b/c on the turn and donks the river? That seems like a cbet that hit a flushdraw and wiffed the river- I also play lower stakes and see either bluffy spewers or silly fish do this and I want to know which I've got

His bet makes 0 sense to me unless he spiked a 9 on the river. I'd honestly probably call with at least A7+

The only thing I can think is he hit 9 on the river with him holding an A to, or just a bad bluff, the only way I would be callin is if I had A -Q or a set

I'm sure i could put you on A-Rag, or AQ...
What do i win ...

Well it depends, if they let me limp, i'm willing to play any hand...

I'm pretty sure calling with Ax is correct here. Whenever someone's line makes no sense, I just tend to pay them off and he really can only have nuts or air here with more air than nuts. He never does this with AJ,AK unless he is turning it into a bluff but I doubt he will do that.

To be honest, I think we might be dominated here with two pair, but I'll take 2:1 on my money with two pair.

AK is going to show up here a lot and the occasional bluff will turn up as well as A2, A7, AQ, 22, 77, QQ and AA. We're easily getting 2:1 against that range with 72o.

You really think AK is going to take that line that guarantees he is never called by worse?

Uh...given a 13/13? He's not bluffing much at all here... unless he has KK... then maybe, but probably not.

So his range is almost exclusively AA, QQ, 77, AQ and a small % bluffs or KK that just won't let go I think....

I don't see AK doing this (or other aces really... A7, A9... maaaybe but I doubt it)

That bet/call on the turn is a bit odd though...

I guess he could maybe have KT or KJ of hearts and thinks he can buy it?

I'd probably want 77 at least...maybe QQ.

I don't think a villain with those numbers makes a pot sized bet, out of position, on the river with TPTK. Unless he has a really good read on you and knows your range and tendencies down to a t - which he can't over the course of 50 hands, he's either got top 2 pair or a set.....or absolutely nothing, . Go with your gut with this one...maybe pay him off with 2 pair and hope that he doesn't hit and run. Def. not calling with just an ace.

Ok, good discussion so far. Now let me reveal my actual hand .

Now knowing what I hold, do you call?

Yeah i call.
Villain is gonna have a monster or bluff most of the time but since there is the missed FD/GS and the fact that he opens from SB meaning his range should be a litle wider and could include worse 2pair(A2/A7/A9/Q9, actualy Q9 and A9 would make some sense given his line asuming he doesnt like folding postflop.) means for me from a combo perspective this is a call.

There is only 1combo of AA and QQ and 3 of 77 Vs the gazilion combos of 2pairs/busted draws/pure bluffs/spazes/random Ax, even if we dicount alot from that range its still a clear call imo.

Thats like a snap call. Sure you pay him off sometimes, but 13/13 over 50 hands does not really mean all that much just means he was the PFR 6 or 7 times. This seems like a great spot to look him up and get a note- the fact that you have a pretty good amount of showdown value helps too.
And who bet calls on the turn with a set and shoves the river? Seems more likely a set is wanting to block the draws rather than call and see the next card.

Yeah, I agree. With top 2 we're always calling.

Now time for the the honest reason I posted this hand. I'm not the BB here. I'm the SB and I hold ... 55. I know it's just FPS spew but when he raised the turn I knew I was screwed so I planned then to call the ch/r and pot the river, any river. He hadn't yet folded to a cbet in 4 opportunities so his flop call really meant very little.

I figured he'd fold his TP hands to the river bet and if the people ITT are any indication I guess this would be true most of the time. Not sure how often he raises the turn with only a single pair though so the point may be moot. Fwiw he timed down before calling the river but I don't see how almost anyone folds top two here.

Here is the actual undoctored hh:

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MP1: $121.20
MP2: $99.95
CO: $100.00
BTN: $126.50
Hero (SB): $135.45
BB: $113.35
UTG: $106.65
UTG+1: $110.95
UTG+2: $100.10

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is SB with 5 :spade: 5 :diamond:
7 folds, Hero raises to $3, BB calls $2

Flop: ($6.00) 7 :diamond: A :heart: Q :spade: (2 players)
Hero bets $3.50, BB calls $3.50

Turn: ($13.00) 2 :heart: (2 players)
Hero bets $8.50, BB raises to $22.50, Hero calls $14

River: ($58.00) 9 :diamond: (2 players)
Hero bets $58, BB calls $58

Final Pot: $174.00
Hero shows 5 :spade: 5 :diamond: (a pair of Fives)
BB shows A :club: Q :heart: (two pair, Aces and Queens)
BB wins $171.00
(Rake: $3.00)

well done,
what was your plan on the turn if he called rather than raised?
its sad the most nonthreatening card in the deck showed up

Ubercroz said:

well done,
what was your plan on the turn if he called rather than raised?
its sad the most nonthreatening card in the deck showed up

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If he calls the turn the pots much smaller but his range is weaker so I don't know. Maybe go for the river ch/r all-in.

The PFR makes sense w/ any pair, paint or suited A. I think he's tight if I remember the manual AbsoluteHam posted a couple months ago (thanks again!), so his suited A is pretty high....A10+.

The bet on the flop was a little low for a c-bet (even though some people do that). You call.

The turn he bets less than 3/4. Why is he not betting mor with the draws on the board. Flush and straight draw. You don't want to price in your opponent (the OP). When the OP raises, he calls. It's highly unlikely that he just calls with any hand that he thinks is definitely good. If he did, why would he not reraise to stop the backdoor flush draw or straight draw come in?

He shoves on the river. That scares me. We just reraised on the turn and he just called. I think he felt that if no draws came in, he would shove. I can't put him on the 9 after all that action (unless you were showing the propensity to fire several bullets w/ nothing).

I think he has a naked A. Maybe A2 or AQ. But since there are so few combinations with that, I think you call w/ any A, strong kicker.

I'm just starting to really practice dissecting hands so if this doesn't make sense, let me know.

The 2 on the turn is such a crappy 2 barrel card, It didn't even give you any added equity. Even the river card sucked. No draws completed

Saying that id probably have done the same play, infact ive probably done this a dozen times. He had to have two pair to call, unfortunatley he did.

KardKlub said:

The 2 on the turn is such a crappy 2 barrel card, It didn't even give you any added equity. Even the river card sucked. No draws completed

Saying that id probably have done the same play, infact ive probably done this a dozen times. He had to have two pair to call, unfortunatley he did.

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Bad barrel card for sure but WVH allready said villain hadnt folded to any cbets yet so we have to asume he is floating fairly wide in which case we can start barreling alot.