Whats the purpose of straddling?

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I know what a straddle is, raising x2 BB UTG before the cards are dealt or maybe its before you look at your cards. But what exactly is the purpose of a straddle? Is it just to spice things up or a strategy? And lastly does it usually only take place in high stake's games or any level games? I also noticed Black Chip has a straddle button.
 
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In short, to promote more action.
 
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Yeah, primarily to create action. Gamblers love it for that reason. Even if you're not a degen and don't usually do it yourself, when others do, the extra money in the pot affects your mathematical decisions about whether and how a hand is played. In general, everyone is going to loosen up and see more flops.

Also there are several varieties of straddles. Not all rooms allow all types of straddles. Where allowed by the room, they can usually occur at any stakes. The lowest live stakes in most casinos and poker rooms is $1/$2 and I've seen many straddles in those games.
 
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To create action.

I rarely do it since usually its a -EV play. Inflating the pot while in early position holding a random (probably terrible) hand is usually not good.

There have been a few games where I've done it. These are usually tables filled with horrible, aggro players who stack off incredibly lightly. Straddling creates a bigger pot and gets these players to commit stacks more easily. Basically, I'll do it if I am confident that I'll get at least one stack if/when I hit.
 
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Speaking of Straddle, just last night, I was playing Live 3-6 (as usual) and been winning, up by 135%-150% buy-in so I'm feeling good (I almost always buy-in for 100BB or sometimes 150BB if the room allowed it). A new guy sits 2 seats to my left, and He bought in short - 60BB. In his very first hand, (He's in MP) He raised immediately for 6.5BB and everyone folded. His very next hand, once again He raised, this time at 7BB, and the result was the same. Hmmm, a loose cannon, I thought so to myself. On his 3rd hand at UTG2, He raised 8BB, someone at the BTN raised big, more than enough to put LC (loose cannon) all-in. Everyone folded but LC insta-call. BTN has 9Td, LC got AKh. Nobody hit their cards so LC double up. I'm always friendly at the table and more than sometimes I ask the players near to me, why did they do it or how would they do it not realizing on their part that I'm gathering info from them. And I can tell (call it women intuition;)) if they are talking BS about their answers whether that was true or not. So I asked LC, "If you were not short stack, would you answer the big raise?" And he immediately answer me, "I'm a raiser, and I never folded a hand regardless of my holding, if I'm the one who started it all."

On the very next hand LC straddles, and got 4 callers, I was on the SB with 5s7s. The pot odds were very tempting and I was getting the right odds. But knowing how aggressive LC is, it is almost automatic that he will raise his straddle. So my next question is, how much I am willing to call LC's raise. 10BB? 15BB? All his chips? I'll call 15BB if the 4 callers will call. 10BB if even 2 of the 4 callers will call because I'm pretty certain that BB will call due to good pot odds. But I will always fold to a shove. I'm also not worried if the other players will play back at him since the table is somewhat passive. But I folded, thinking He might shove considering the money already on the table.

And to my dismay, He checked his option! I never anticipated that! And to add salt to injury, I could have flopped 2 pairs and could have held till river, not to mention a big payday...:D So, my question here is, How much are you willing to gamble in this situation? Or Are you willing to call in this situation, considering you will be OOP the rest of the way.

My rationale for calling here (had I called, aside from the pot odds) are;
1. Speculative hands are very good in multi-way pots especially against 5-6 players;
2. If I don't hit the flop, I'm done;
3. I'm winning, so 10-15BB are just part of my winnings so I can afford that.

I'm looking forward to your answers and criticisms ;) , especially to Baudib since you play a lot of Live Cash, MediaBlitz, MissJacki and Arjonius just to name a few of very good posters here in CC. In fact, I learn a lot from your posts. ;)

P.S. Sorry OP, by ambushing your thread. I just thought that since you are asking about straddle, then maybe I can just slip something in here and this is somewhat related.
 
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Speaking of Straddle, just last night, I was playing Live 3-6 (as usual) and been winning, up by 135%-150% buy-in so I'm feeling good (I almost always buy-in for 100BB or sometimes 150BB if the room allowed it). A new guy sits 2 seats to my left, and He bought in short - 60BB. In his very first hand, (He's in MP) He raised immediately for 6.5BB and everyone folded. His very next hand, once again He raised, this time at 7BB, and the result was the same. Hmmm, a loose cannon, I thought so to myself. On his 3rd hand at UTG2, He raised 8BB, someone at the BTN raised big, more than enough to put LC (loose cannon) all-in. Everyone folded but LC insta-call. BTN has 9Td, LC got AKh. Nobody hit their cards so LC double up. I'm always friendly at the table and more than sometimes I ask the players near to me, why did they do it or how would they do it not realizing on their part that I'm gathering info from them. And I can tell (call it women intuition;)) if they are talking BS about their answers whether that was true or not. So I asked LC, "If you were not short stack, would you answer the big raise?" And he immediately answer me, "I'm a raiser, and I never folded a hand regardless of my holding, if I'm the one who started it all."

On the very next hand LC straddles, and got 4 callers, I was on the SB with 5s7s. The pot odds were very tempting and I was getting the right odds. But knowing how aggressive LC is, it is almost automatic that he will raise his straddle. So my next question is, how much I am willing to call LC's raise. 10BB? 15BB? All his chips? I'll call 15BB if the 4 callers will call. 10BB if even 2 of the 4 callers will call because I'm pretty certain that BB will call due to good pot odds. But I will always fold to a shove. I'm also not worried if the other players will play back at him since the table is somewhat passive. But I folded, thinking He might shove considering the money already on the table.

And to my dismay, He checked his option! I never anticipated that! And to add salt to injury, I could have flopped 2 pairs and could have held till river, not to mention a big payday...:D So, my question here is, How much are you willing to gamble in this situation? Or Are you willing to call in this situation, considering you will be OOP the rest of the way.

My rationale for calling here (had I called, aside from the pot odds) are;
1. Speculative hands are very good in multi-way pots especially against 5-6 players;
2. If I don't hit the flop, I'm done;
3. I'm winning, so 10-15BB are just part of my winnings so I can afford that.

I'm looking forward to your answers and criticisms ;) , especially to Baudib since you play a lot of Live Cash, MediaBlitz, MissJacki and Arjonius just to name a few of very good posters here in CC. In fact, I learn a lot from your posts. ;)

P.S. Sorry OP, by ambushing your thread. I just thought that since you are asking about straddle, then maybe I can just slip something in here and this is somewhat related.
Don't worry about ambushing my thread, I found your post interesting. I'm not sure what I would have done in your situation, I guess I would have folded just like you did and probably tightened up and waited for big cards. But I'm not sure if that's the correct thing to do I mostly play online micro-stakes and I'm rather new. Good luck!
 
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Honestly Chipper I think your fold was the best play.

Let's be real - how a player plays is part of the odds. You're only getting immediate odds to make the call. And that's offset by the likelihood of your loose cannon trying to grab the pot. It lined up where the call would have worked out, but in most cases you would probably just be throwing away another $3.

The only other consideration is that had your loose cannon hit anything, and you hit your 2 pair, you might have been able to cash in. But even aggro players tend to be defensive in multi-way pots so I wouldn't count on it.
 
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lol u have ambushed the thread... but you need to be brave enough sometimes to go in those suited connectors even if its all-in pots... Esp 4+ players going all-in.

When you play enough you learn the situations and player styles and you just know without seeing their cards ... hoping 2 with AK and some random pockets but mainly seeing everyone else having each others outs its almost impossible to lose the hand. :) ... but the suited connectors often get up it's crazy in that situation and it does take guts and im just crazy enough to go with it and get everyone abusing me knowing that next time I'm all in i'll get action with my premiums
 
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I believe the main purpose of straddling is to make the pot big. If you have massive BR or simply rich, its a good strategy for making those with limited BRs always hanging. As they say, using your money to bully them.
 
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how can you straddle online.. You see your card anyway. Isn't it?
 
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Yeah, primarily to create action. Gamblers love it for that reason. Even if you're not a degen and don't usually do it yourself, when others do, the extra money in the pot affects your mathematical decisions about whether and how a hand is played. In general, everyone is going to loosen up and see more flops.

Also there are several varieties of straddles. Not all rooms allow all types of straddles. Where allowed by the room, they can usually occur at any stakes. The lowest live stakes in most casinos and poker rooms is $1/$2 and I've seen many straddles in those games.

At the $1/2 room I play in, alot of the weak loose players love to straddle ($4) and wonder why I snap call $120 shove with A-K after $20 open
The difference in a straddled pot is noticeable as the effective stacks decrease with the added bet.
 
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If you get the chance to straddle, just don't do it if you can avoid it unless you have terrible players which you can beat easily. Straddling for me is a bit awful to my style because I would rather play deepstacked in a cash game than not. You're adding more bets and halving the stacks so there's more variance (I don't like variance).
 
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Having a straddle always makes me think of Norman Chad's ideal of having a small blind, big blind, and super blind.
 
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how can you straddle online.. You see your card anyway. Isn't it?
I'm not sure, I've never done it but Black Chip Poker has a straddle option next to the sit out option. It's the only site I've seen with this feature.
 
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I'm not sure, I've never done it but Black Chip Poker has a straddle option next to the sit out option. It's the only site I've seen with this feature.

I haven't tried it but it could just be a simple matter of checking the box and it auto-posts the straddle before the cards are dealt, same as with the regular blinds. I'm also assuming they only allow single straddles from UTG.
 
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I haven't tried it but it could just be a simple matter of checking the box and it auto-posts the straddle before the cards are dealt, same as with the regular blinds. I'm also assuming they only allow single straddles from UTG.

This is correct. I do it on occasion just to mix things up.
 
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