What's with the min-betting?

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Hey guys,
I'm playing 5nl on pokerstars, and I see people minbetting all the time,
even on 1$ a lot of players just bet 5ct. What's the reason for this?
Is this some kind of tactic? Or are they just fish who don't know how to bet?
 
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It's their way of asking you to raise.
 
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I find it's either one of two things;

Villian is REALLY strong
Villian is REALLY weak.

Whichever one it is though, rest assured villain is a fish.
 
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I see villains do this quite a bit with ok hands when they are trying to get to showdown cheaply, like they have 99 and the flop is K84 or something.
 
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I see villains do this quite a bit with ok hands when they are trying to get to showdown cheaply, like they have 99 and the flop is K84 or something.
THIS.
 
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This is a play that Dusty Schmidt (Leatherass) started years ago. It was a way for him to inexpensively see where he stood in a hand during the earlier streets. Players who had a good piece, raised; those who did not, called and occasionally folded. Of those players who called, Dusty just jammed the crap out of them because villains tended to play their hands face up. The min bet was super confusing to them at the time. Now, I'm pretty sure it's just fish who have seen a video and try to put it to use.

If a villain donks into you with this play, and he's a fish, raise. Keep raising it until he proves it something other than a weak hand.
 
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This is a play that Dusty Schmidt (Leatherass) started years ago. It was a way for him to inexpensively see where he stood in a hand during the earlier streets. Players who had a good piece, raised; those who did not, called and occasionally folded. Of those players who called, Dusty just jammed the crap out of them because villains tended to play their hands face up. The min bet was super confusing to them at the time. Now, I'm pretty sure it's just fish who have seen a video and try to put it to use.

If a villain donks into you with this play, and he's a fish, raise. Keep raising it until he proves it something other than a weak hand.
i agree with this but this is a boomerang than can come back to slap u in the face if you dont have outs at the very least when applying this strategy. in other words,if you dont have a piece of the pie avoid this unless your sure your opponent will most probably fold by the latest on the turn.
 
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I generally find min bets are either middle/bottom pairs or most frequently flush draws.

Where I play, if people intend to slowplay monsters they check.
 
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Ramdeebam is pretty much spot on, make a raise every time, if they play back = fold, if they call and then check = fire again.
 
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I can't honestly say what's going on with this. If it is a tactic, I think it's only purpose could be to try to build a bigger pot by raising, but not raising enough to make most players fold their rags. This is silly of course, because increasing the pot by allowing more players into it lessens your odds of winning the hand. You're better off raising more and playing the pot with less opponents, which will also increase the pot, while increasing your chances of winning it. Also a min raise shows a lack of confidence in your hand, which gives other players an indication of the strength/weakness of your hand. If they are min raising with small pairs or suited connectors, a larger raise would actually be giving those hands a better chance of winning. If you're not comfortable raising more with those types of hands, then you're probably better off just folding them then hoping they hit or hold up against half the table.
 
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Umm, I think OP was refering to min-betting, not necessarily min-raising.
 
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I do this sometimes when it seems like the table is all following starting hand charts - you know the type that limit down what they play against a raise to a super-nitty range. I min-raise, everyone folds. Repeat until playback. David Williams talked about this in Negreanu's Power Poker book.
 
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People who min bet in small to medium stakes are most likely fish. I've seen some ridiculous shit playing $.10/.25 and $.25/50. Some players would min bet and then get three bet min bet. I mean it's pretty ridiculous
 
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Umm, I think OP was refering to min-betting, not necessarily min-raising.

You are correct. OP did say min-betting, not min-raising. My mistake. Again, I can only speculate, as this is not something that I do.

As someone stated earlier, it might be a way of trying to find out where they are in a hand, especially if the flop is in villain's perceived range. Theortically the villain should come over the top with a raise if they have connected. The problem with this is that bingo players are often very passive, electing to call and see cards as cheaply as possible, often waiting to see the entire board before betting out or raising on their own.

Another reason one might min-bet post flop is to start culling players out of the hand when several player have seen the flop. The ones that missed the flop might consider folding, leaving only the players who have connected or have strong drawing hands. If they can narrow it down to one or two players in the pot, then they might be able to start trying to put their opponents on a hand.

I have also seen players do this to trap when they have flopped something very strong, like a set. A min-bet tends to look like a feeler bet, and might induce a raise. If not, it might not be enough to scare other players out of the pot, who might be willing to call with overcards as long the price is cheap. This can build up decent sized little pot when multiple opponents are involved, or just get a little extra value out of a single opponent that might not be willing to call a larger bet.
 
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Beware the minbet!

poker stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players

SB: $81.73
BB: $59.47
UTG: $57.49
MP: $32.67
Hero (CO): $50.00
BTN: $98.64

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is CO with 5
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5
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1 fold, MP raises to $1, Hero calls $1, BTN calls $1, 1 fold, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($4.25) 2
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2
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3
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(4 players)
BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $2.75, BTN folds, BB folds, MP calls $2.75

Turn: ($9.75) K
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(2 players)
MP checks, Hero checks

River: ($9.75) 9
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(2 players)
MP bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50

Final Pot: $10.75
MP shows 2
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2
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(four of a kind, Deuces)
Hero mucks 5
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5
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MP wins $10.05
(Rake: $0.70)
 
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It could mean anithing. From Aces to garbage. Depending on the player i will raise, check, fold. Most of the players , the bad ones use it as a blocking bet but it is stupid in my opinion. Some will say it is a min-bet i say it is a min-check. It really means nothing more than a check does. On the river a min bet keeps the action but i do not think it has to change your plan. For example instead of checking you just pay 1 BB.
 
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Everything has its place...... Min betting is one option it can be used in a bad or good way.

In the hand example by Cafeman31 the other player used it in a bad way. Really in that hand the villain should have raised on the flop into Cafes bet.

It all depends on how you have been playing and how your opponents view you. I get people to fold after the flop with min bets all the time. Granted I am currently only playing freerole tournaments. There is just a ton of factors but there are lots of places were the min bet works great. You just have to find them and then watch for people using the min bet out side of these good spots.
 
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This is how it goes often enough to be a profitable raise imo.

Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players

BB: $51.72
UTG: $30.77
Hero (MP): $50.00
CO: $28.81
BTN: $49.75
SB: $111.04

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is MP with 2
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2
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1 fold, Hero raises to $1.50, 2 folds, SB calls $1.25, BB calls $1

Flop: ($4.50) J
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K
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3
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(3 players)
SB bets $0.50, BB folds, Hero raises to $4.25, SB folds

Final Pot: $5.50
Hero mucks 2
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2
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Hero wins $5.14
(Rake: $0.36)

Probs just seeing where he was with his 55 or w.e
 
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EP on a tight preflop table and then reraise any action. OK with premium hand preflop.
 
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