What's a normal c-bet%?

Hey guys,

I feel like way to much of my c-bets get called, now it could be the opponnents, or maybe I just cbet way to much?

my flop cbet% is 74.25 and succes% vs 1 is 48,1.
turn is 25.8% and succes 51,0%

Is this bad?
thx!

Get used to this: It depends.

If you only raise aces, you should be cbetting damn near 100%. It depends on your vpip, pfr, stakes, playing style, ect ect ect. 70% is fine, but you still may be retarded if you're cbetting that 70% in all the wrong spots.

Now, read this.

Finally, your turn cbet number seems quite low. So maybe start reading up on spots to go for 3 streets of value, or when to fire barrel #2.

I recall reading 1 article about cbetting but that's it, I'll definetly start reading up about it,
And I guess I'm also looking way to much at stats,
thanks!

BvBrMTW said:

I recall reading 1 article about cbetting but that's it, I'll definetly start reading up about it

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This one is fairly good.

http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=7994180&page=0&fpart=1&vc=1&nt=3

Just read the article, great, thanks!
It really helped me but I have one question to you guys:
The article suggest "potting" some times, now personally, I ALWAYS bet 2/3-3/4 of the pot, just against a very small group of bad players I'll min-bet with hands like gut-shots. (I don't buff calling stations, and bad players often don't look at bet-sizing, this really works against a large group of fish, they'll just call anything, and never re-raise (maybe with the nuts)).
So should I mix up my betsizing more? I've learned pot-betting is always bad. I know when I watch HSP they differ sizing a lot more, so should I stick to 2/3rd of the pot until I move up?
thx!

BvBrMTW said:

So should I mix up my betsizing more? I've learned pot-betting is always bad. I know when I watch HSP they differ sizing a lot more, so should I stick to 2/3rd of the pot until I move up?
thx!

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If you always bet 2/3rds, you wouldn't be far wrong. However, there are certainly times to be pot (or more than the pot). Value towning fish is the obvious example, where the majority of their range will be calling (think a QT8tt flop). If a player is deep, you can also over bet early in the hand to setup getting stacks in on the river. But yeah, generally 2/3rds is fine.

i think c betting about half the pot is about right

but thats just me

most mtt players make it 1/2 , You give your opponent good odds in cash I guess;

I usually just cbet the same amount that I raised it pre-flop.

So pre-flop raise to 150 then my cbet will probably be 150.

Imma pot bet c better. I get less calls, and I get better reads when they do call.

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JusSumguy said:

Imma pot bet c better. I get less calls, and I get better reads when they do call.

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Always betting the pot seems bad mate. We want to bet an amount that induces them to float with a wider range, but is slightly -EV for them, that way we can get more value over three streets.

focus less on the frequency of your cbets and more on the texture of the board that you are cbetting on. If you use flopzilla and enter a particular flop it will tell you how often the opponents range hits the board, which means that some boards you should basically never cbet and others you should always cbet, again it also depends on opponents but for the most part try to cbet boards like Axx rainbow or Kxx rainbow. Avoid boards that are connected and suited like 89T suited or 9TJ with two of a flush because these boards hit your opponents calling range extremely hard and it is usually -ev to cbet them unless you also hit the board strongly or hold an overpair.

frozensprx said:

focus less on the frequency of your cbets and more on the texture of the board that you are cbetting on. If you use flopzilla and enter a particular flop it will tell you how often the opponents range hits the board, which means that some boards you should basically never cbet and others you should always cbet, again it also depends on opponents but for the most part try to cbet boards like Axx rainbow or Kxx rainbow. Avoid boards that are connected and suited like 89T suited or 9TJ with two of a flush because these boards hit your opponents calling range extremely hard and it is usually -ev to cbet them unless you also hit the board strongly or hold an overpair.

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Also I would argu that its good to stab at low boards like 368 rainbow if you think the other player came in with over cards. More likely they did come in with overs if you bet pre-flop.

I would say the higher the better. But the higehr it is, the more likely someone will play back at u.

depends how deep you are as well, in later stages of tournaments cant have high CBET stats as you will get too commited to the pot whereas in Cash games on Dry flops you will have alot higher CBET %

[ ] is a tournament forum.

c9h13no3 said:

[ ] is a tournament forum.

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Oh ya this is a cash thread my perspective is from a more tourny experienced point of view.

Generally a c-bet is a continuation bet which would be about equal to your original bet.

steveiam said:

Generally a c-bet is a continuation bet which would be about equal to your original bet.

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By definition a c-bet is always a continuation bet since the "c-" is short for continuation.

And it's size should be based on pot size, board texture, effective stack sizes, number of opponents, and reads on opponents. If you raise to 3bbs and are called by someone behind, then your pot is 3 + 3 + blinds of 1 + .5 = 7.5bbs. If you bet your original raise of 3 bbs, that's less than half pot and you're giving pretty good odds for someone to call with pretty much anything, especially if effective stacks are deep, and even more so if you have more than one caller (though generally you should be c-betting less often with more callers, again depending on hand strength, board texture, reads).

Raising and c-betting smaller is more appropriate in tournament situations because the effective stack sizes are smaller, but, as pointed out already, this is a cash game thread.