What would you do?

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full tilt poker Game: $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:24:13 ET - 2010/02/26
Seat 1: jono30 ($10)
Seat 2: dexter1403 ($9.10)
Seat 3: kingkongpokers ($7.36)
Seat 4: butch2973 ($12.92)
Seat 5: Plukybrit ($5.61)
Seat 6: hellybeans ($12.75)
Seat 7: ttp49 ($10)
Seat 8: StrohBrandy ($10.64)
Seat 9: pastor_c ($10.96)
pastor_c posts the small blind of $0.05
jono30 posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pastor_c [Kc Kd]
dexter1403 raises to $0.30
kingkongpokers folds
butch2973 raises to $0.50
Plukybrit folds
hellybeans folds
ttp49 calls $0.50
StrohBrandy folds
pastor_c....

What would you do?

What do you think I did?

A) Call
B) Re-raise
C) Shove all in
D) Fold

I will post what I did sometime tomorrow
 
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I don't think there's any reasonable option other than betting $2 or maybe $2.50 given that the pot is multiway and you're in the SB.

This is a very standard situation and it's not one you should have any doubts about.

Call: If you call you're out of position, you're letting everyone see a cheap flop with pocket pairs, SCs and Ax. I'm not saying that you should try to get those hands to fold pre-flop, just that you should charge them an unreasonable price to see the flop.
Lets say that the flop is all smaller cards, are you playing for stacks? Then you just gave whoever has a pocket pair correct odds to set mine against you (and one of them is set mining more often than not).
The only advantage to just calling pre-flop is that you can pot control and check-fold, but that's completely wasting the value of pocket kings and you're really not going to win much more than you lose in doing this.

Re-raise: The only option for reasons already mentioned.

Shove all in: Depending on how bad your opponents are, this is usually terrible. If they'll call ridiculously light then I don't mind it because it removes the implied odds you'd be giving everyone. However finding players who will call such a random shove lightly is uncommon.
Generally speaking, they're going to fold too often for this to be more proffitable than taking the hand post-flop.

Fold: Not happening.
 
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What would happen if you re-raise 2.5$, got called by the other 2 players, and flop comes as Thepokerkid123 suggested all small cards (i.e: 2, 4, 6,) Being in the SB...

What is the next move? ....Check?
 
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Full Tilt Poker Game: $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:24:13 ET - 2010/02/26
Seat 1: jono30 ($10)
Seat 2: dexter1403 ($9.10)
Seat 3: kingkongpokers ($7.36)
Seat 4: butch2973 ($12.92)
Seat 5: Plukybrit ($5.61)
Seat 6: hellybeans ($12.75)
Seat 7: ttp49 ($10)
Seat 8: StrohBrandy ($10.64)
Seat 9: pastor_c ($10.96)
pastor_c posts the small blind of $0.05
jono30 posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pastor_c [Kc Kd]
dexter1403 raises to $0.30
kingkongpokers folds
butch2973 raises to $0.50
Plukybrit folds
hellybeans folds
ttp49 calls $0.50
StrohBrandy folds
pastor_c....

What would you do?

What do you think I did?

A) Call
B) Re-raise
C) Shove all in
D) Fold

I will post what I did sometime tomorrow

ok so if im reading this right there is 85 cents in the pot when it gets to you in the sb

you cannot flat call here and see the flop becuase you do not close the betting, the utg +1 plaer and initial raiser will be acting behind you.

consider ign the size of the pot and the fact that you have BOTH players stacked in this situation I agree taht your move HAS to be to get value out of your kings, but i also think that you want to induce ONE of them to fold.. for this reason i am basing my bet here on the stack sizes that im up against instead of the pot size...i would make it about 3.60 to go in the hope that your caller has a smaller pair than you do or even a specualtive hand that they are in love with pre flop like any AK AQ AJ.
 
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Full Tilt Poker Game: $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:24:13 ET - 2010/02/26
Seat 1: jono30 ($10)
Seat 2: dexter1403 ($9.10)
Seat 3: kingkongpokers ($7.36)
Seat 4: butch2973 ($12.92)
Seat 5: Plukybrit ($5.61)
Seat 6: hellybeans ($12.75)
Seat 7: ttp49 ($10)
Seat 8: StrohBrandy ($10.64)
Seat 9: pastor_c ($10.96)
pastor_c posts the small blind of $0.05
jono30 posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pastor_c [Kc Kd]
dexter1403 raises to $0.30
kingkongpokers folds
butch2973 raises to $0.50
Plukybrit folds
hellybeans folds
ttp49 calls $0.50
StrohBrandy folds
pastor_c....

What would you do?

What do you think I did?

A) Call
B) Re-raise
C) Shove all in
D) Fold

I will post what I did sometime tomorrow

I would thank God that he put me at this table, pop it to 2.50 pray and pray for a reraise. If the flop comes a bunch of low cards I bet 3/4 of pot and again pray for a raise. I can't really think of a situation in which I'm not gonna try and get as much in preflop with kk as possible. Unless I have a amazing read on a guy I'm never ever flat calling here.
 
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ya, i agree with everyone else in this thread... with KK there this isnt even a situation that needs much thought...

Re-Raise big (2.5 etc)... flop is all small cards, you are betting 75-80% pot and essentially committed if raised... (any QQ/JJ/1010/99/ etc ) will most likely call/reraise... if you run into a set, shit happens, most likely your good...

NOW though... on another level... if you KNOW the original raiser 4 bets 70+% of the time when the original raiser, than i would argue to flat call... (your flat call looks weak like a "im getting the pot odds to call with my junk") the flat call hopefully induces a re-raise by the original raiser trying to isolate from the 4 people, which would open the door for you to all in with the KK...

so. without a read on the original raiser, this is an easy raise (big) and go from there...
 
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reraise and they fold. the 30-50c raise is lol.
 
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reraise and they fold. the 30-50c raise is lol.

your honestly saying re-raise is the wrong move?

what would you rather, make a raise to 2.5$ and isolate, or flat call out of position against 4 players... sorry to say but KK doesnt play well against 4 players, and its better to win the 85 cents or what ever is in the pot than get committed to KK and loose a stack... there is a time and a place for slow playing big pairs... against multiple people is not one of them
 
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This is elementry re raise as Lecture say KK not as good four way.
 
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I fold. The 20 cent raise to .50 screams aces.
 
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your honestly saying re-raise is the wrong move?

what would you rather, make a raise to 2.5$ and isolate, or flat call out of position against 4 players... sorry to say but KK doesnt play well against 4 players, and its better to win the 85 cents or what ever is in the pot than get committed to KK and loose a stack... there is a time and a place for slow playing big pairs... against multiple people is not one of them

No I was saying reraise and they'll likely fold. Which is fine. :)
 
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