Value Bet: any bet you make that you hope will be called by a worse hand.
This is what I was told was value betting.It is the same reason you raise 3x before the flop with a hand like AK suited, you don't have the nuts, but you have potential and most likely have dominated other hands that can call you.
Thats what I thought.
If you check the thread AG, you will find he thinks different
This is what I was told was value betting.
I`m not trying to be clever, just want to clarify
No, he doesn't have it wrong, you do. Your advice to shove w KK is a bet that wants to fold other hands, not get called by weaker ones. Similar to your idea that raising w AK is primarily to "thin the field" (also looking for folds).
A value bet is looking for a call.
I can see we are going down different avenues here.
probably, as I am having real trouble figuring out why you think you have different definitions if you really do think this vvvvv
I think a value bet is a bet looking for a call.
ok, correct
You need to look into the full thread to find out why I said push with KK - if he gets called in that hand he is behind.
Then why would you push? That doesn't make any sense.
The poster of this thread is asking if he should call an all in. Later in the thread, he says he was raising as a value bet. I said it could not be a value bet if he was concidering folding to a reraise. Am I wrong?
Yes you are wrong. He is c-betting/raising because he thinks his hand is ahead, and fully expects to be called by weaker hands and/or draws. It is quite possible to be value betting "in error" (thinking you have the best hand, when in fact you don't).
Using the example I give above, I do not think that you would raise with AK at a full table as a value bet - you would be raising with AK to thin the field, in most cases. Less than 4 players, possibly.
That's one of the reasons to raise, fine. But you also want to get called by ATs as well. Therefore you can consider this a "value bet [raise]" even though it wouldn't be the most common use of the term.
above.
I read the thread pretty quickly, but I don't really understand why that hand was posted in the first place, unless it was an attempt to get at a tournament survival vs. +chip EV type discussion (which never materialized fully).
I'm not sure I get it.
A bet for value hopes to get called. Everyone agrees on this.
What happens after the bet has no bearing on whether or not the bet was for value. Whether the opponent calls, folds or raises all-in does not change the type of the bet.
My understanding of a value bet is a bet made knowing u have the best hand. Therefore, if you have the best hand why would you fold to a reraise? Unless my understanding of a value bet is incorrect.
So I said if it is a value bet, u can`t be thinking about folding - My understanding of a value bet is a bet made knowing u have the best hand. Therefore, if you have the best hand why would you fold to a reraise? Unless my understanding of a value bet is incorrect.
Value Bet: any bet you make that you hope will be called by a worse hand.
I take it you mean AG`s definition is flawed? I have not given a definate definition, I have asked if what I said was correct or not.we seldom 'know' anything in poker. your definition is fundamentally flawed.
I take it you mean AG`s definition is flawed? I have not given a definate definition, I have asked if what I said was correct or not.
very well, if you want to nit it up, your assumption is incorrect.
AG, which was then changed toValue Bet: any bet you make that you hope will be called by a worse hand.
Quite a difference, imo.Oh lord how do we explain.... read FP's post: a value bet is a bet you make when you think you have the best hand
Hi all.
We have come down to value betting. What would you guys describe as a value bet???
you keep using the word 'knowing'.
we seldom 'know' anything in poker. your definition is fundamentally flawed.
a value bet doesn't require you to 'know' you're ahead, it merely requires you to assign a range to your opponent and establish that you're beating a lot of hands in that range (and that the range consists of an ample number of hands that we beat but will call our bet).
as a hand progresses, we can often narrow our opponent's range of hands, eliminating from your opponent's range a lot of the weaker hands that we wanted to call us originally.
Because the information you have at the time you believe your hand is best could change with your opponent's future actions.
If you get a loose passive player calling you down to the river vs your top pair, then he goes and check-raises a dry river card, you can now expect to have a hand that loses on average to your opponent's range.
You believed you were going to get a call from a worse hand >%50 before his check-raise, but now with the new information you see he was most likely slowplaying something that has you beat, so you fold.
This isn't the definition for value bet. The definition of betting with the nuts is not a very useful one, since it happens so rarely.Does every really awesome person on this site think that every person is picking at their game???
I simply asked for a definition of a `value bet`, nothing more, nothing less.
As it turns out there seems to be a lot of different definitions.
If, as was my understanding, a value bet was a bet you made knowing you had the best hand, why would you fold to a reraise.
As some people seem to think you can`t ever know if u have the best hand, here is an example.
You hold AA, flop is AA9 - u now have the best hand, u know you have the best hand so you value bet, bet to try to extract as much as you can from your opponent.
If this is not the definition of a value bet so be it, I really don`t care.
F Paulsson;768106 You told me earlier that I had to read the thread you were referring to in order to understand the context. I did actually read that thread before even seeing this one said:reason [/i]everyone's disagreeing with you.
This is not a dig at AG, btw. But, going by what is said in this quote I assumed it meant you basically had the nuts and you wanted a call.Value Bet: any bet you make that you hope will be called by a worse hand.