What techniques to use for establishing table image

sammyfive

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What are some tactics you guys use to really make an impression on players, one way or the other. This is harder online when you are behind a computer, but I have learned that image is still very very important.

So either live or online, what are your personal methods of creating a persona?
 
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I like to call 3bets OOP and then ch/shove random crap on the flop. It's expensive but effective.
 
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ha sounds more like -being- a maniac than just acting like one. I'm talking about subtle things that don't look like obvious donk maneuvers.
 
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No. Sorry, no experience with any of that.
 
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???
Sorry maybe you thought I was being an ass or something?
I am sure you are more knowledgeable and play higher stakes than me. that means you probably employ more subtle and advanced moves. I meant that I already make wild bets and such to make an image.
I was talking more about giving off tells and things like that.

Edit: why can't i edit the first post i made? Mod, (Dakota?) please delete it.
 
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No you're post was fine I was just being funny (Ok, TRYING to be funny).

I really don't put any stock into online tells so I don't try to deliberately do anything to throw my opponents off.

Although the ch/shove stuff has some hint of truth to it. :(
 
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So you push with air and risk your whole stack?

I don't know if I'm man enough to do that!!:eek:
 
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No I push with air and lose my whole stack. It only works if they see that you have nothing. :)

Like I said, it gets expensive but does wonders for the maniac image.
 
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Why pay for table image? Just play your usual game, and just adjust as they adjust. Trick is, usually your opponents don't adjust to you because they suck.
 
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Why pay for table image? Just play your usual game, and just adjust as they adjust. Trick is, usually your opponents don't adjust to you because they suck.

They all suck... I was up 3BI's at one table grr... runner runner flush, someone with PP 3's turned a set against my top 2 pair... damn the poker gods
 
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I guess sometimes at the beginning of a stt I may play real tight almost nitty and passive. Then when they start to take advantage of me I turn the tables around. Usually this isnt on purpose its just because Im getting shit for cards and no opportunities to steal but sometimes I do it on purpose.
 
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I consider myself a tight-aggressive player. I will do some check raising and raising when I have nothing..then show the hand. I like to let the table know from the beginning that I own the table and that I'm the table General!!!
 
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Creating an image isn't worth it if it requires you to make sub-optimal plays because your opponents wont adjust enough to make it cost effective.

Be aware of your table image and use it to your advantage but don't manufacture it.
 
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Depending on the table (Cash, SnG, Tourney) you can try a few different things.

(All of these suggestions are prefaced by saying you can't do all this with a 7/2 os - well maybe sometimes. Try to have a reasonably decent starting hand)

I find that the first thing is to start by seeing what the table is doing, are they tight? Loose?
Play the opposite.

If no one is calling a raise, raise it up.
If the table is really loose, sit back and let them knock each other off.
When you have a hand, pounce on them.
If they catch on to you, change gears and sit back for awhile
This works great in small one table SnG's.

Always take your time when it is your turn, don't drag it out but take a reasonable amount of time to fold, call or bet.
Make them see you think, make them wonder.
What's he got?
Too many players see a decent hand (mid pair) and without paying attention to their position, chip stakes or a UTG bet they just toss it in.
Take your time and analyze the situation!

Whenever I see a player fold immediately I know that they are playing their cards, not the position or the table. I will start taking advantage of them ASAP.

Betting is a real strong indication of who you are at a table.
Limpers are always perceived as weak, ABC players. And that can be used to your advantage especially if you are taking your time.

You have a strong pocket pair in late position. If no one has raised, take your time and make the call or min raise (more if the table seems really loose).
The slow bet will make a lot of players think you are stealing.
If the flop comes in your favor (a set, 2 pair etc) a small hesitation can induce a bet or raise, just what you want.

Don't use the automatic options, decide for yourself.

Important to me is to NOT show my cards.
I rarely bluff but if I do win with a small hand, I am NOT showing it.
You want to see it? Pay for it!!

As for bluffing, don't try to do it at the low stakes tables.
Cash tables anything under $1/2, SnG's anything under $10.

Most players at these stakes are going to play any pair, suited connectors or paint cards and they WILL suck out on you. If you are playing a semi-bluff, maybe.
And by semi bluff I mean 4 to a straight (up and down), 4 to a flush, mid or lower set etc. post flop.
Anything else will just cause you to be called and lose your bankroll.

If you see someone else playing the same way and it's not me, then you're on your own!!! LOL

(As with anything your mileage may vary and we here at the Leo 50 school of poker are not responsible for any losses occurred while following these suggestions. Although donations from winning are gratefully accepted! LOL)

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Just play a tight game at the beginning and play solid poker!
If the other players are able to realise that than you will create your image just by playing...
But be careful donks do not realise that! ;)
 
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I primarily play in the freerolls & micro tourneys, more often than not I'm not @ the same table for very long, until later in the tourney, to establish an image. If I do find myself @ a table for a bit I will show only the premium cards on an all-in shove with no callers...it sets it up for me to get away with semi-bluffs later if others think I only play good cards. Also check raises work wonders as long as it's not overdone (gets kind of annoying & I want to keep the 'customers' in the hands to extract more chips :D).
 
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I personally don't believe in manufacturing a table image - but I am always working on working out how my table image is being perceived. That way I can use whatever it is to my advantage.
 
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I'm picking my nose and farting the whole time to establish an image of a total jerk+idiot but since I'm playing online no-one ever realizes.

Seriously: Leo pretty much summed it up correctly.
 
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I don't try to create a table image. Instead, I try to remain conscious of what my image probably is to the other players, and use that.

For example, when getting a run of really good cards that nobody sees (is he bluffing??), followed by pocket Aces, I may just shove pre-flop. After having seen you take down a bunch of pots in a row without showing, those AQ or JJ hands just might call. This is definitely a micro stakes move though. I wouldn't try it against the big boys.
 
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For those of you who don't think it is worth your while to manufacture a table image, look around. Do you have an image of the other players at the table? And do you ever act on that image? What makes you so special that you think you are invisible to everyone else?

So, why not try to manipulate the image others have of you to your benefit?

I do it, but you won't get me to tell you how!:eek:
 
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patience

i dont think you can get a image. best to sit tight and watch the play of others on the table. you ll soon find the loose players. after a few showdowns and the fishermen. win a few games at forums like CC . other players then no your not such an easy touch. the image comes before the game in this case and not at the table itself.............joker131
 
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