What is my next decision with premium hands after post flop?

Hello Friends!! I know that this problem is the most common problem of any beginner who started playing poker few months ago.

But, I come here for a unique answer.

Actually, my problem is this:-

I have a premium hand like AQ, AK and AJ in button position.

There are already two limpers ahead of me.

So, I decided to raise to reduce my opponents (3xBB).

But, the most amazing thing happened is that everybody called my raise. BB, SB and two limpers. Now, flop comes and i do not hit any pair there.

So, everybody check in-front of me. Then, tell me what i have to do at button position. I have to raise, check or fold. Also specify the raise in pot ratio.

My style is tight aggressive. So, i can throw two barrels. But, with a high card it is good thing to do or not because i already increase the pot and calling 3/4 pot every-time reduce my stack size very much....

So, please help me to recover from this situation.

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I would make a bet of 2/3 of poker since much opponents and apart have a style at the table (tight aggressive) then you can get much out of it, and if you pay in turn can already think better because you can send the other barrel and have separate position or view if you want to go and watch move on the river.

well if you have some stats on opponents... if they are nitty i would raise pot size,and make them fold semi hands... if they are fishes you can check/fold....
if they are in middle than 1/2 of pot to do a trick... if they raise you fold,if they call,check it on river...
its really situational and depends on table image...

With two limpers ahead of you your raise preflop needs to be bigger, with two limpers there is already 3.5 bbs in the pot so I'd go to at least 5.

As played, assuming you have no piece of the board check fold unless you hit turn! With so many opponents in, someone is going to have hit and could be planning a check raise!

I'm surprised nobody actually advised him to evaluate board texture first. After that, ask yourself: "why am I betting here?" (if you want to bet ofc); Dont just throw bets left and right without any specific reason. This might also help:

http://www.pokerschoolonline.com/bl...ation-betting-part-b-evaluating-board-texture

http://www.pokerschoolonline.com/bl...ontinuation-betting-part-c-example-situations

He also needs to be adviced that AQ, AJ and AKo are not considered premium hands

Premium hands are AA, KK, QQ, and AKs

AJ, AQ and AKo can be troublesome hands so please don't get married to them and don't overplay them.

EvertonGirl said:

He also needs to be adviced that AQ, AJ and AKo are not considered premium hands

Premium hands are AA, KK, QQ, and AKs

AJ, AQ and AKo can be troublesome hands so please don't get married to them and don't overplay them.

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Thanks, I am beginner. So, I really don't know about it but what about AKo?? It is a category 2 card in pokerstar.net online course.

I would raise more preflop. If no one raises before you, you can raise 3bb. But each limp you can add 1bb to your raise. After the flop, there are still a lot of players in the pot so i wouldn't choose for a bluff and just check for a free card. If you go for a raise you will need to continue your bluff and might lose a lot. You might have the best hand, but a lot of hands will beat you. But it is indeed a hard situation since there are a lot of players in the pot and it will be harder to bluff them.

EvertonGirl said:

He also needs to be adviced that AQ, AJ and AKo are not considered premium hands

Premium hands are AA, KK, QQ, and AKs

AJ, AQ and AKo can be troublesome hands so please don't get married to them and don't overplay them.

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Don't overplay is correct but AKo is for sure a premium hand.

youregoodmate said:

Don't overplay is correct but AKo is for sure a premium hand.

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Theres me corrected I always assumed AKs is premium and AKo is good hand.

OP AKo means AK offsuit

to a confirmed LAG they are all premium hands lol . Raise bigger pre if you want to reduce the number of opponents the more you bet the more likely you are to take it down pre or only face 1 player

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Theres me corrected I always assumed AKs is premium and AKo is good hand.

OP AKo means AK offsuit

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There's no right or wrong answer, it's definitely dependant on your range. A nit may say JJ isn't a premium and a lag may include AJ.

To OP, ignore what we call premiums. Play each hand against your opponents perceived range. That is the range of hands they may have. This we can narrow from street to street as the hand plays out. Whether we define a hand as premium, it matters not, if we are looking at a bad board for our hand, that hits our opponents range.

With regard to your main point. It's not weak to give up on hands. If we are 3/4 handed and our AK misses then check folding is fine. If we are heads up then depending on our opponent and the board texture then c-betting the flop, then check folding the turn if we miss is fine. We aren't going to hit every board and people will occasionally bluff us out of pots when we check and give up but that's okay.

As folks have said, your first error is the pre-flop raise. You're inviting a multi-way pot with 3xBB raise when you already have two limpers in front.

Think about it. Let's say you're playing 1/2 for the sake of easy math.

SB + BB + BB + BB = $7.

You raise $6. Pot is now $13.

That means blinds and limpers only have to call $4 to see $13. Remember: The first limper ALREADY CALLED $2 to see $3 (which is why open limping is really not mathematically a great move). You're actually giving the first limper better odds! In fact you're giving them perfect odds to really see the flop with just about any two cards unless you likely have a big pocket pair in this spot. Even if you possibly have a big pair in this spot the odds aren't far off and the implied odds justify the call. There's no sensible fold here.

Now, let's say you raise $12. Pot is now $19.

Now the blinds and limpers have to call $10 to see $19. This is still better than $2 to see $3. However, they now have to look at there cards and think: am I likely close to 50/50 odds right now, and do my implied odds and reverse implied odds justify this call out of position? Theoretically, if there hand was good enough to limp it should be good enough to call or re-raise here. But, let's be honest, chances are it's not.



Anyway, let's say you find yourself multi-way in position with A-Paint and you miss the flop. Now you have to evaluate the board. Are the cards connecting? Are their flush draws out there? People at low stakes usually limp: suited connectors, A-Rag, low pocket pairs. Except the blinds, they could really have ANYTHING. Here, we have a dilemma. If everyone checks to you since you raised and you check back - if you miss you're looking for a fold on the turn. If you hit, it's going to be hard to get money out of worse hands and easy to lose money to a 2-pair kind of holding. If you bet, you're going to be getting called by big draws, draws with overs, draws with pairs, top pair or better, and possibly weak draws and sometimes middle or bottom pair. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

The real answer is don't get yourself into this situation. The only other option is to look for a bluff. If you don't feel you can reasonably pull one off or that it doesn't really benefit you for your meta-game, then the answer is this: you made a mistake - fold and move on.

check and see what the turn will be. You already had a mistakes preflop by not raising enough. If you improved on the turn, you can get the pot there. If someoone check raise you on the turn. Fold. If someone flat calls, check on the river and fold to a bet.

I agree to some of the posters to try and get pot on the flop. Just don't chase over cards if you get rejection.

I went against my own advice this weekend. I had a hand where I had AKs mid position. I decided to limp with a two pronged strategy: 3-bet a raise pre-flop, OR, play AK multiway in hopes of trapping a weaker ace.

Flop comes A 3 10, rainbow. Checks to me, I check. Late position bets pot. Folds around, I call. Turn, Ace comes out, hearts pair. I check again. Villain bets 2/3 pot. I call. River is a 4. I tell my villain "don't bet too much or you scare me out." He bets a little over 1/3 the pot. I raise him back the same amount. He tanks for a minute and then calls to show A3 for a boat. Oops.

Oddly enough, the 4 was actually a slight scare card for me which slowed me down. The raggy limp aces tend to be 2 through 7. Late position guys are usually raising A8+ when folks limp to them. I didn't really have pocket 3s or 4s in his range either, I felt like the action would have been to get me to take the betting lead. And there's just not that many 33s and 44s. I have him on that Ace-Rag range. He didn't seem to worried about a larger ace, and two of the cards in that range were on the board. I figured I was *most likely* ahead and would *most likely* get value from A2, A5, A6, A7. But I didn't want to go nuts on the river. Figured if he went over the top I was no good and if he flat called I was slightly likely to win it.

HOWEVER, main point is that limping AK cost me a lot of money.

Weisssound said:

HOWEVER, main point is that limping AK cost me a lot of money.

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You can't be sure the A3 isn't calling even if you raise pre. And the result will be the same with all the money probably in by the turn.

Trips with top kicker is a very strong hand and difficult to slow down with especially with no flush on the board. You just got unlucky there.



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You still need some fold equity,so 2/3 sound appropriate.

Raise bigger pre, c/f flop