What did I do wrong at Live 1/2 today?

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To start. It's been a while since i played live. Right away I lost 160 i had A10 and he had a set of sixes with the highest card 10 on the flop. I went that far because I was new to the table, people love to go crazy with flush draws (there was one). Just unlucky. I re-bought to 100 bbs and he left to a plo game. After he left I went up to 500 calling off short stacks and dodging bullets. Villain comes back hours later.

Situation 1: I have AKs I raise 12, a bunch of people call. flop is ks 9c 6d. The pot is over 60 I bet 60, Everyone folds but he calls. Turn is a Qd he goes"uh oh you're in trouble." I look and see that a really good K high straight can make it there so I meekly check. And river is a 5. We wind up going all in and he had 98s, making him a straight on the river. After he said I played the hand terribly, I admit I did on the turn by not C betting. First He called a raise with 98 preflop against a raise. then he called a large flop pot bet drawing with a 5 to one odds. I've plugged this hand through flopzilla and I was ahead preflop. He said That my betting tptk was wrong on a flop like that.

He kept tooling me saying I was on tilt. Later as short stack with 75 or so left. I got down mainly because the guy kept telling everyone one I was on tilt so whenever i raised a strong broadway hand half the table would call. The flop wouldn't help me so I would just fold. I get AK again and raise 25 and get two callers, one guy was a really short stack fish who had the same. I thought no matter what I'm jamming the flop with anything and maybe get a fold. Another guy who had limped also called. The donk checks so I just pause a second and then jam hoping the guy would fold or even call a weak Q which was on the board and a flush draw since I still had somewhat of a chance to pair ahead of him or to have him miss his flush if that what was he was after. So he calls, The donk folds. He only had a weak flush draw and made it on the river. and the other poker pro psychology dude was tooling on me again. "You shouldn't have hesitated before you bet, that WAS the giveaway." Then I remembered what mike caro had said about inducing a call to pause before you bet, and actually that's what I did because I wanted a call for my chance to hit or hold, knowing that both villains call preflop with garbage.. so I said as I left, "He did exactly what I wanted him to do. You just have bad days sometimes" and Mr. Psychology major whatever just agreed, and didn't argue.

So in all. I was ahead of most peoples ranges pre flop, got people to call my hands when I wanted them to. Guys got lucky with their draws. The mistake was not representing the K on the turn in the earlier hand and giving the guy a free card because i was slightly rattled by his talk. I was slightly annoyed at Mr talkative, but I stayed within my limits, my hand ranges, and the way I bet even as a short stack.

so any thoughts?
 
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Putting stacks in with AT is a stretch of being good. Your against unknowns and to think someone will call with 99they will have to think your bluffing. So yeah i think a bit optmistic there.

When someone tells you your in trouble on the turn thats about the sametime i jam and say put your money where your mouth is and throw some insult lol

usually talk like that tells you he has a marginal hand or needs a prayer and is trying to spook you into giving you a freecard.

Also the chatter was to keep you on tilt. The total drilling and chatting is just to keep niggling at your mental state.

When your affected mentally you need to get up and take a break or switch tables. If everyone keeps calling you then need to adjust the strategy. I usually raise to $16 or $18 ... to thin the numbers.

whatever it took to get 1 or 2 callers only
 
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That 2nd paragraph is way off.. Why would you want somebody to call with top pair or whatever when you have A high??? At best your drawing to 6 outs on the turn and river.. Against flush draw with pair your drawing to 4/5 outs depending if holding suit in your hand..
 
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That 2nd paragraph is way off.. Why would you want somebody to call with top pair or whatever when you have A high??? At best your drawing to 6 outs on the turn and river.. Against flush draw with pair your drawing to 4/5 outs depending if holding suit in your hand..


That play wasn't that good I admit- break even at best.. I would never make a play like that with a 100 bb stack. I was a short stack, short stack play requires making moves and big bluffs. i am behind 3 to 1 behind top pair and 42 to 56 roughly against a flush the lesser end of a coin flip. my read on both opponents is that they both weren't happy with the flop. the one guy folded and the guy who called hummed and hawed for quite a while before he did, so in essence he called with no pair and only a marginal flush draw, he didn't have pot odds, or even implied odds (because i wasn't deep enough behind to pay him off more). Maybe not a play i would ever use again.
 
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usually talk like that tells you he has a marginal hand or needs a prayer and is trying to spook you into giving you a freecard.

Also the chatter was to keep you on tilt. The total drilling and chatting is just to keep niggling at your mental state.

Thanks for the advice. well I'll be sure to move next time that guy comes to the table. I also noticed that he gave away all of his winnings at the table. I also don't advocate tooling your opponents verbally, it is -EV in the long run, You want people to continue giving you money, not getting flustered at you so they leave. That's not being a good prince of poker. Or say You are a cab costomer, You order a ride, the driver doesn't pick the fastest route home that you'd like and to top it off, when you pay him he doesn't give you change so you can select a tip a your own discretion, instead you give him 15 on a 12 dollar ride and he pockets it and tells you to get out. Askyourself. Would that be your top pick of a cab company the next time you need one? No, you'd shop for a ride elsewhere.
 
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Yeah he made more than a couple mistakes.

1. If you ever annoy or insult someone in a live game, be sure as hell that everyone will soon tighten up.

2. He annoyed the tilter, but he gave you what you wanted unfortunately and you stayed... Or perhaps you got stuck which is a bigger concern on your behalf... That's worse than tilting in my books. But yeah in general if someone is tilting you give them what you want and keep them at the table. If they want to play bingo or splash money, let them.
 
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