What is happening to me in the blinds?

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Since moving up to 10NL I've played around 25,000 hands (FR and 6max) and for the life of me, I can't seem to beat it.

I think it's clear the problem is that I'm losing a ridiculous amount from the blinds.

I'd really appreciate if anybody could look at my stats and give me some pointers what the problem might be or what I can do to identify the problem.

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FR stats and results
(Ignore the negative EP stats. That's a result of losing 300bb in a single all-in situation, so shouldn't be statistically relevant)

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IDK it's hard to say without seeing the cards while on your blinds but maybe your either not defending your BB enough to button raises or maybe your defending your BB too often with cards without enough post flop potential I'm sorry if I was no help I'm sure some one much smarter then I will be able to identify the problem if there is one tho
 
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Lots of issues going on, but you're 3-betting more from the blinds than from position. You need to reverse that. Your button and CO are actually more of a problem than your blind play.

I have a whole chapter on blind play in my new book so that it will probably help you out. Go download it. It's free, so you can't beat that.
 
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Lots of issues going on, but you're 3-betting more from the blinds than from position. You need to reverse that. Your button and CO are actually more of a problem than your blind play.

I have a whole chapter on blind play in my new book so that it will probably help you out. Go download it. It's free, so you can't beat that.

Yeah, I understand there are other issues too that I need to tackle one-by-one, but thought the blinds would be best to look at first as that's where I seem to be losing a lot. I just downloaded your book and it looks awesome, planning to read it over the weekend :)
 
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Yeah, I understand there are other issues too that I need to tackle one-by-one, but thought the blinds would be best to look at first as that's where I seem to be losing a lot. I just downloaded your book and it looks awesome, planning to read it over the weekend :)

Everyone loses a lot from the blinds. You're forced to put in money, with a random hand, out of position. There's just no way to completely overcome such a massive disadvantage. In the last 14k hands of my own play, I am winning overall; but, I am losing worse than you are from the blinds. Talking like -76bb/100 from the BB. It's more likely that I am playing poorly from the blinds, than you are.

I could look closer at mine, but I've yet to see anyone with a positive winrate from the blinds over a significant number of hands. It doesn't appear that you're defending too loosely. I probably am.

I guess what I am getting at is, this is probably not the "leak" you think it is. We don't have enough to be sure about anything.

The above comment about 3-bets is huge and will help you a lot. 3-bet In-Position == MONEY. 3-bet Out-Of-Position == not so much. You're creating a larger pot. You win more pots in position than out of it. Creating larger pots in position wins you more money.

There are times to reraise from the blinds, of course. Still, most of your 3-bets should be coming when you've got the best of it (position and/or hand). This is especially true at the micros, where people tend to call more than is proper.
 
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How do ypu get info like this?
 
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How do ypu get info like this?

PokerTracker is how I have it. There's also Hold'Em Manager.

Ugh, just went and looked at my BB stats. They're HORRIBLE. Apparently, I turn into a complete fish when in the BB. I'm playing 22/6 from there! Can anyone say leak? Passive defending for the lose.

Time to clean that mess up. Probably can work on the SB thing as well, but I am not doing too horrible there.

Anyway, I still think -46bb/100 isn't great, but it's probably not the worst leak you have. Focusing on other areas would probably benefit you more.
 
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Everyone loses a lot from the blinds. You're forced to put in money, with a random hand, out of position. There's just no way to completely overcome such a massive disadvantage. In the last 14k hands of my own play, I am winning overall; but, I am losing worse than you are from the blinds. Talking like -76bb/100 from the BB. It's more likely that I am playing poorly from the blinds, than you are.

I could look closer at mine, but I've yet to see anyone with a positive winrate from the blinds over a significant number of hands. It doesn't appear that you're defending too loosely. I probably am.

I guess what I am getting at is, this is probably not the "leak" you think it is. We don't have enough to be sure about anything.

The above comment about 3-bets is huge and will help you a lot. 3-bet In-Position == MONEY. 3-bet Out-Of-Position == not so much. You're creating a larger pot. You win more pots in position than out of it. Creating larger pots in position wins you more money.

There are times to reraise from the blinds, of course. Still, most of your 3-bets should be coming when you've got the best of it (position and/or hand). This is especially true at the micros, where people tend to call more than is proper.

Yeah, I knew that losing from the blinds is normal, I just thought that my numbers were particularly bad, thanks for letting me know they're not!

Think I'm going to work on my LP 3betting strategy over the weekend...then on to finding other leaks!
 
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Everyone loses a lot from the blinds. You're forced to put in money, with a random hand, out of position. There's just no way to completely overcome such a massive disadvantage. In the last 14k hands of my own play, I am winning overall; but, I am losing worse than you are from the blinds. Talking like -76bb/100 from the BB. It's more likely that I am playing poorly from the blinds, than you are.

I could look closer at mine, but I've yet to see anyone with a positive winrate from the blinds over a significant number of hands. It doesn't appear that you're defending too loosely. I probably am.

I guess what I am getting at is, this is probably not the "leak" you think it is. We don't have enough to be sure about anything.

The above comment about 3-bets is huge and will help you a lot. 3-bet In-Position == MONEY. 3-bet Out-Of-Position == not so much. You're creating a larger pot. You win more pots in position than out of it. Creating larger pots in position wins you more money.

There are times to reraise from the blinds, of course. Still, most of your 3-bets should be coming when you've got the best of it (position and/or hand). This is especially true at the micros, where people tend to call more than is proper.

Well, because of forced blinds you're more susceptible to losing money from the blinds. But it's not true that everyone loses from the blinds. I don't lose from the SB, but I do lose some from the BB. The shorter the table you play, the higher your bb/100 loses can potentially be. This may be obvious, but....
 
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Yeah, I understand there are other issues too that I need to tackle one-by-one, but thought the blinds would be best to look at first as that's where I seem to be losing a lot. I just downloaded your book and it looks awesome, planning to read it over the weekend :)

I'd recommend fixing what is easier and the bigger leak first though. Your losses from the blinds aren't completely horrible. Button and CO play though has a lot of work, and that's easier to learn and play from first, than from OOP.
 
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Everyone loses a lot from the blinds.
I win from the BB and lose slightly from the SB.

That said you aren't supposed to make money from the blinds, that much is true. Almost no one does. I probably do because I play a lot of weaktight nits super-shorthanded and 1) I get a fair number of walks and 2) a donk/OOP cbet vs button open is usually enough to take it down if I don't.
 
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meaningless samples, everyone loses from bb and 99% from the sb

blind results wont even be very accurate after 100k hands nevermind 10k.
 
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