What do you think of my May graph?

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That image was a little small...

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For the stakes you're playing, most likely.

You just want well timed bluffs against your opponents range. Here's mine from last month for example. Mainly you want slow steady increase, but keeping it at least flat and having better showdown winnings at your stakes is more ideal, generally speaking.

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Your sample is too small to tell your habits for sure, but it looks like "yes" you do bluff too much or call down too light or both. The winning-est strategy at micros (especially Bovada) is too play tight preflop, value bet aggressively, and fold frequently when met with aggression. It's boring but it works. And obviously you can adjust based on your reads, but these general rules work.
 
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Pretty graph, I feel like I time my bluffs decently and the regs at 5NL on bovada are pretty weak tight and love to give up pots, especially to scare cards. The beginning of the month was rough though, majority of my sets were losing and I just have a hard time folding them :mad:

Here is my graph for flopped sets in May, after looking at it maybe I am playing them a little to aggressively since I am winning without showdown with them often?

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Maybe it has more to do with sample size though because this is my all time graph with flopped sets at 5NL which is only over 25kish hands. It shows that I get payed off decently with them and that I am not playing them overly aggressive.

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May was just a strange month in poker and the first 2 weeks were brutal with the beats, which may have lead to a tiny bit of tilt :rolleyes:
 
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Your sample is too small to tell your habits for sure, but it looks like "yes" you do bluff too much or call down too light or both. The winning-est strategy at micros (especially Bovada) is too play tight preflop, value bet aggressively, and fold frequently when met with aggression. It's boring but it works. And obviously you can adjust based on your reads, but these general rules work.


My VPIP is 15 so I play pretty tight but also very aggressive and since people do fold frequently when met with aggression I exploit that(group that with how tight I play). I did call down with quite a few sets in the start of the month when I knew the turn or river card was horrible for me. I also value bet very aggressively, possibly overly aggressive haha.
 
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Pretty graph, I feel like I time my bluffs decently and the regs at 5NL on bovada are pretty weak tight and love to give up pots, especially to scare cards. The beginning of the month was rough though, majority of my sets were losing and I just have a hard time folding them :mad:

Here is my graph for flopped sets in May, after looking at it maybe I am playing them a little to aggressively since I am winning without showdown with them often?

May was just a strange month in poker and the first 2 weeks were brutal with the beats, which may have lead to a tiny bit of tilt :rolleyes:

Hmmm... I play mostly 100 and 200nl on bovada right now. At that level a lot of the opponents can't fold. I did some recent testing for the card catcher hud with some of our beta testers at 5 and 10nl. Not a whole lot, but some, and no one seemed to fold much, even the regs. These are all my hands /stats from bovada, and I don't bluff nearly as much as I used to when I played higher on other sites.

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I'm not sure you need to bluff too much in order to win at a high clip on there. I just play enough hands and value bet aggressively, mix in some well timed bluffs when I have reads.
 
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I'm not sure you need to bluff too much in order to win at a high clip on there. I just play enough hands and value bet aggressively, mix in some well timed bluffs when I have reads.

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Also, if you don't know how to make a well timed bluff (which most players don't without a lot of experience and reads) just don't.

While you may not have the same results as John, you will STILL be winning against these players who don't fold. Maybe not 14bb/100, but 6-7bb/100 is pretty good.
 
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This

Also, if you don't know how to make a well timed bluff (which most players don't without a lot of experience and reads) just don't.

While you may not have the same results as John, you will STILL be winning against these players who don't fold. Maybe not 14bb/100, but 6-7bb/100 is pretty good.

I think getting out of mentality at these kinds of stakes that you need to outplay everyone, and just play solid, learn BET SIZING and how to manipulate opponents to do what you want to do, and value bet well. If you do those things well, and have a good pre-flop strategy, you'll win at a high clip.
 
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I think getting out of mentality at these kinds of stakes that you need to outplay everyone, and just play solid, learn BET SIZING and how to manipulate opponents to do what you want to do, and value bet well. If you do those things well, and have a good pre-flop strategy, you'll win at a high clip.

Very true.

I read its also a good idea to just fold to aggression a lot of the time. Turn and river raises often being very strong hands were up against, TPTK usually beat. Personally ive also found floating the flop is OK, as well as cbetting. But when we get to the turn people are rarely double barreling us, or floating again with air. Whilst making sure we play in position almost all of the time, it is easy to control pots at lower stakes. I.e If villain cbets a low board from MP, we can float and a large amount of the time when they miss, they will give up after the cbet, meaning we can just confidently bet the turn and take it down, often with nothing. Likewise if were the aggressor with the air, we'll often be checked to, then we'll cbet. If called, we can assess the turn. Some players even donk bet turn in which we easily fold, and if checked to we can simply check behind and see a free river.

Is all what ive said reasonably true regarding the aggression? I need to get out of a little habit of calling off turn and river bets, when im either; annoyed that he's hit his draw and my decent hand is now probably beat but pay off anyway, or just generally not respecting raises enough from bad players. Turn and river bets also obviously being bigger bets, thus affecting our WR more than Pre and flop betting.
 
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I think getting out of mentality at these kinds of stakes that you need to outplay everyone, and just play solid, learn BET SIZING and how to manipulate opponents to do what you want to do, and value bet well. If you do those things well, and have a good pre-flop strategy, you'll win at a high clip.

I see people at the smaller stakes constantly wanting to outplay people. Trying to churn out some postflop edge that you don't need (and really may not have).

When value betting is so strong, you don't really need to outplay people. They outplay themselves for you.

You just don't need to trick people who adamantly refuse to be tricked, and therefore call too much.
 
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I see people at the smaller stakes constantly wanting to outplay people. Trying to churn out some postflop edge that you don't need (and really may not have).

When value betting is so strong, you don't really need to outplay people. They outplay themselves for you.

You just don't need to trick people who adamantly refuse to be tricked, and therefore call too much.

I'd agree. Bottom line is you should only get creative with people who are capable of following the story you're telling. Players who are thinking on level 1 or 2, won't be able to do this.

I'd guestimate most marginal winners or losers at micro stakes are not winning at a high rate mostly because of these 4 things:

1) They make poor pre-flop decisions and get themselves in bad spots post flop.
2) Do not size their bets to get worse second best hands to call, or large enough when their opponents second best range is really strong.
3) Don't value bet enough.
4) Don't fold when their opponents tell them they have a strong hand. Most opponents are not trying to outplay you, they just really have a hand when they raise.
 
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a lot of good pointers here guys for micro stakes i appreciated the read. I think I need to work on bet sizing and value bets.
 
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It is really amazing how you manage to keep your non showdown winnings in the positive :)
 
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Out of that 4.

I believe 2 and 4 ( this does catch me sometimes but that's a sign I'm tilting when I'm thinking like this obv. are the weakest and I've improved with 1 and 3.

Bout to get back into poker shortly... I'm guessing July.. Had a decent break with a month off. last time I had a break I ended up 140+ and 1k+ after that :)
 
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I don't know where I read a saying maybe on someone's quotes.

"if you don't know how to fully switch off you can't fully switch on"


I don't know where I read it but I've totally put that in... I'm no longer thinking poker when I'm not playing and getting away from it unless I'm playing or set aside studying also :)
 
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