What do you guys do when you keep getting bad beats?

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I'm a winning 25NL reg on Bovada (6bb/100+), and for the past 7 sessions, I've been getting terrible beats. Im still up +5 buy-ins or so, but it's starting to take its toll on me mentally. I started out with $500 about 3 weeks ago, ran it up to $1300, and now am at $1190. I should be up to like $1700+ minimum without the bad beats just from the past 7 days. I'd like to move to 50NL, but I think I really wouldn't be comfortable, especially given the way I've been running. I actually took a shot when I had $1000 but ran terrible. I might end up moving up at $1500 or $2000, probably $2000. There are also some leaks that I could work on (defending against 3-bets and postflop play in 3-bet pots mostly).

Past 7 days:

KK vs AA 4 nights in a row preflop all-in. Lost all of them
KK vs JJ all-in preflop two times. Lost both
AA vs QQ all-in preflop twice lost both (one was for 440BB... that really hurt haha)
QK for nut straight 3-way 3-bet pot vs AK (TPTK) vs J9 (2 pair) all-in on turn (J9 catches full house on river for 400BB pot)
AA vs AK i lose to turned nut flush all-in preflop
KK vs AQ all-in preflop (donk back raised all-in my 3-bet preflop)
AA vs KK (for once!).... and I lose LOL

Right after these bad beats, I usually just become a little frustrated and shut off my computer. I don't try to chase my losses, but this is the worst I've run in 7 days. It helps that I'm still winning, but it just feels very demoralizing that I keep losing with 80-90% equity almost everytime. Before this 7 day session, the percentages seemed to work out fine (more or less). And everytime I've gotten AA or KK all-in this week, I've lost all of them but one (yes I counted). That must have been at least 8+ times. How do you guys deal with these? I have never run this bad before.

As for coolers, I don't really mind as much because what can you really do with top full house vs quads? For those, I kind of react nonchalantly because there was no way of avoiding them. And I cooler other people too, like top set vs middle set so it evens out.
 
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Take a break? Or analyse the hands on here to see if your actually doing any mistakes?

Over how many hands?

If your generally a winning player and having terrible sessions, i'd just give it a break a day or two... Study for a bit instead of playing.
 
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Take a break? Or analyse the hands on here to see if your actually doing any mistakes?

Over how many hands?

If your generally a winning player and having terrible sessions, i'd just give it a break a day or two... Study for a bit instead of playing.

I'm new here. How can I post hands on here? I know I've made some mistakes in other hands, but on these specific hands, I got it all-in as an overwhelming favorite for most just kept getting sucked out on, some in very huge pots (400BB+). And losing pretty much all my 82/18 and 18/82 preflop all-ins with AA/KK. Over the past 7 days, I played almost 20,000 hands. For the past 20k hands a lot of my big hands haven't held up, and when I do occasionally get it in as an underdog (10-25% equity), I can't suck out either. I'm still winning overall despite my bad sessions, but it's pretty demoralizing and marginal (3-4bb/100 ish for the past 6/7 sessions; should be way higher if I hadn't been getting sucked out on constantly).
 
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Some sites have a hand replayer or use pokertracker

Cut n paste in the cash hand analyser
 
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Probably your sample size is not large enough,cause in long term these are winning hand.
 
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Probably your sample size is not large enough,cause in long term these are winning hand.

Yes, I know in the long term that these are winning hands. But what I'm saying is that it's very demoralizing losing these pots consecutively. I literally lost two 500BB pots two days in a row with 90% equity. Not to mention losing KK vs AA, AA vs AK/KK, etc. I'm still positive in those 7 sessions, but I felt sort of numb after getting sucked out on constantly, losing when I have almost the effective nuts many many times. It makes me start to think negatively, although I don't think it affects my play much. I don't seem to have tilt issues, but it is very psychologically draining.

Funny thing is, after running terribly for 7 sessions, I just played a 4 hour session that resulted in 19bb/100 (5 buy-in upswing) from about 3000 hands, haha. Played well and didn't get sucked out on. Made some big hero folds too. Got check-raised huge on the turn holding a made straight with 56 on 789Q, and got bombed all-in on the river. Almost went broke there. He was very surprised I folded :)
 
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If you are getting bad beats in a sense you should be happy about them and not worry as it means that you are getting the money in good and in the longterm you will get the right results. this is just a case of short term negative varience.
 
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I would go to another table or try it a different day
 
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I know the feeling... I'm literally 2000bb (20 stacks) lower than I should be. My orange line (all-in EV) on HM2 is way higher than my green line (net won), meaning that I've been extremely unlucky.

One session a single guy sucked me out 4 times within 20 minutes. Literally every time we got it in before the river, he would suck me out.
Preflop: AKs vs JQo. The JQo wins.
Flop: AK vs A8 on AT2 board. The A8 rivers an 8 and wins.
Flop: TT vs 45s on T42 board with 1 heart. Turn and river are both hearts. He gets a flush.
Turn: KQ vs 67s on 9TJ board with 2 spades. River is a spade and he wins.

And the average pot-size was about 300bbs for each of these. So I basically ended that session with 10 BI less than I should have if I just had moderate luck (the equity share I deserved).

I know that downswings exist. I know that you can't always win when you're an 80-20 favourite. But being 20 stacks below EV just seems crazy and borderline impossible to me.

I guess we just have to be happy that we're still making a profit, despite our extreme bad luck. Look at the bright side: the more pots we let fish win, the more they'll keep coming back to donate to us in the future.
 
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Yeah, running bad is part of the game man, and knowing how to deal with it is very very important.

first off, don't even think of moving up in levels for a while. 20-50nl is a big jump, and that alone is going to play on you mentally.

How do you deal with tilt?

Also if you dont have any tracking/dtabase software = HEM2 Pt4, there is a site called www.weaktight.com that you post and convet hands on. then you just post the hand in the cash game hand analysis section.

Post a couple hands in the hand analysis section
 
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If it's tilting you, you need to stop playing IMMEDIATLY. Posting here is good as it helps you feel better. Take a break, study/watch videos online for the stake you're playing. Come back with a positive attitude when you're ready. Just don't donk off your roll.
 
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If the bad beats effect your game you must stop, Stop it!
Jut go around and meet some people, drink, take a walk, and then come to play again....
Bad beats makes part fo the game, we only need to play profitable, because in longe term we'll win....
 
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Im currently dealing with tilt n my answer is taking a day off and going down a level

Also they say shorter sessions will help confidence up and gain momentum and if u follow my thread last week was a good example with sprints building momentum which gave me a big win sat
 
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If you are getting bad beats in a sense you should be happy about them and not worry as it means that you are getting the money in good and in the longterm you will get the right results. this is just a case of short term negative varience.

+1 just play through it.


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I tilt very hard sometimes, but I instantly get the **** off the tables. After 5 minutes I'm usually completely ready to go again. The worst tilt though is when you get sucked out on as a massive favourite and you're playing for a huge multiplier on the spin and go's. They have the potential to exponentially increase your win rate and roll. Missing them can be devastating.
 
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Losing that much in a row and getting sucked out on probably doesn't put me at my A game, but I can still play through it alright. Tilt not really an issue for me. Unless I lose a 400BB+ pot as a huge favorite, which is pretty numbing. Or losing AIPF 82/18 or getting coolered like crazy PF.

I've been running and playing really well for the past 5k hands (not too many suckouts) and have been crushing at a crazy rate: 24bb/100. That's 12 buy-ins :). My game has definitely been improving. Running well helps too haha. I do know that this is an very unrealistic winrate over a large sample though.

I've incorporated a decent amount of bluff-raising IP and OOP into my arsenal (works better against Zone players I think), and it seems to have helped my winrate a bit. It's pretty fun too :D. I did attempt another barrel on the turn in two hands, but should have just shut down.... In one of them the Q overcard was just way too tempting for me to barrel at after a T high board flop haha. Of course, I gave up on the river, which brought a K. Don't know what he had that he could fire on the river with after I check. Set? Dunno haha. Thought he would have repopped it at some point on a moderately drawy board. Maybe Q10 for two pair. Hope to be a 50NL reg soon :). At 59BI for 25NL; waiting until 40BI for 50NL.
 
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There are bad days..
Usually, i STOP playing for control the MINDSET, and go play another game.
Otherwise I tilt pretty hard and there's a big risk to lose a lot of money
 
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Losing that much in a row and getting sucked out on probably doesn't put me at my A game, but I can still play through it alright. Tilt not really an issue for me. Unless I lose a 400BB+ pot as a huge favorite, which is pretty numbing. Or losing AIPF 82/18 or getting coolered like crazy PF.

I've been running and playing really well for the past 5k hands (not too many suckouts) and have been crushing at a crazy rate: 24bb/100. That's 12 buy-ins :). My game has definitely been improving. Running well helps too haha. I do know that this is an very unrealistic winrate over a large sample though.

I've incorporated a decent amount of bluff-raising IP and OOP into my arsenal (works better against Zone players I think), and it seems to have helped my winrate a bit. It's pretty fun too :D. I did attempt another barrel on the turn in two hands, but should have just shut down.... In one of them the Q overcard was just way too tempting for me to barrel at after a T high board flop haha. Of course, I gave up on the river, which brought a K. Don't know what he had that he could fire on the river with after I check. Set? Dunno haha. Thought he would have repopped it at some point on a moderately drawy board. Maybe Q10 for two pair. Hope to be a 50NL reg soon :). At 59BI for 25NL; waiting until 40BI for 50NL.

Sound good mate, actually double barrelling even at the micro's has a much bigger effect than you think. To beat the opponent, just think like the opponent. Fish are scared of A's and K's it's the only higher cards you can barrel against them... Against regs though they often try to either float you, or call flop and see a cheap show down with their pocket 5's or w/e double barrelling with air shoves multi table nits right off that hand. All about player profiling.
 
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Sound good mate, actually double barrelling even at the micro's has a much bigger effect than you think. To beat the opponent, just think like the opponent. Fish are scared of A's and K's it's the only higher cards you can barrel against them... Against regs though they often try to either float you, or call flop and see a cheap show down with their pocket 5's or w/e double barrelling with air shoves multi table nits right off that hand. All about player profiling.

Actually, since I play on Bovada, I don't know who the regs are haha. Maybe I just have selective memory, but I find double barreling doesn't work that often at 25NL, even when the board brings overcards, scare cards, etc. I see the hand histories on Bovada, and they call with all sorts of junk. Low pair + gs, just a gs, 4th pair to the board (no idea... they probably "put me on AK" lol), really low underpairs like 66 on a board where I can't really be bluffing as the PFR, so I tend to double barrel only when I pick up decent equity, or have decent equity if called. OESD, FD's (check back IP if I don't think I can fold any hands out, gotta barrel OOP though), two overcards + gs, etc. But in general, I think the Bovada population is pretty fishy. I don't think there are too many regs. Where do you play at?

Still crushing 25NL at a sick rate: 23bb/100 for the past 10k hands :) .
 
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I don`t know for this limits,but I take a big brake.When I`m gone calm,I can start again with more attention for bad beats.
 
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Actually, since I play on Bovada, I don't know who the regs are haha. Maybe I just have selective memory, but I find double barreling doesn't work that often at 25NL, even when the board brings overcards, scare cards, etc. I see the hand histories on Bovada, and they call with all sorts of junk. Low pair + gs, just a gs, 4th pair to the board (no idea... they probably "put me on AK" lol), really low underpairs like 66 on a board where I can't really be bluffing as the PFR, so I tend to double barrel only when I pick up decent equity, or have decent equity if called. OESD, FD's (check back IP if I don't think I can fold any hands out, gotta barrel OOP though), two overcards + gs, etc. But in general, I think the Bovada population is pretty fishy. I don't think there are too many regs. Where do you play at?

Still crushing 25NL at a sick rate: 23bb/100 for the past 10k hands :) .

Ok mate, well you should definitely keep doing what you're doing, I don't want to make you change your game and effect your win rate. Double barrelling definitely takes balls but is such an effective way of getting tight/regs off their hands. Tbh you don't have to play lots to spot a reg, I play on stars and simply clicking the search player feature tells me how play tables they are playing along with my HuD and it only takes 20 hands to see their vpip.

Hell yesterday I pulled off one hell of a fancy move, and that was twice in a row. Some Reg to my immediate right was stealing my blinds, and calling 3bets preflop. To get rid of him I floated flop and turn, and bet just below pot on his river check. I had total air, but the board has AK on it both times. O and I knew he didn't have the A or the K because his betsizing was smaller preflop, along with flop and turn bets of just over half pot. When he has a hand he bets close to pot lol. I picked up all this info on him in just an hour or so, I didn't have thousands of hands on the guy :p

I'm not yet up to 25nl though I could deposit, but would rather build my roll the correct way.
 
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AA vs AK i lose to turned nut flush all-in preflop
 
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I have had this happening to me as well.. I usually just play it, because odds are KK will beat, but then you see those AA's take over and its frustrating but I know I would be kicking myself if I didn't play my KK and someone with anything lower won
 
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No matter how good of a player you are and no matter how good you play some of the sessions are going to be like this. You cant win every day. Some of the days you are going to run bad and lose 8 buy ins maybe. Other days you are going to run good and play good too and win 20 buy ins maybe. It is what is. Just accept that , keep playing the best you can and putting it in good and dont care about short term results. Eventually you are going to make profit.
 
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Getting bad beats means that you have better cards then opponents. So if I get bad beats, it just means for me not to change anything and keep playing.
Only way how to beat bad beats is big volume.
 
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