Weird Question: Raising Limping Passive Fish

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Ok here's something I'd like to know others thoughts about..

At 2NL at least there are many fish who limps with huge preflop hands like AK, AQ or likewise from early positions. (Most of the time they limp almost every hand of course)

Lets say you are in late position and got a good suited connector like QJs or J10s or even Suited aces with a medium kicker.

1. In a full ring where there are around 4 limpers and the action folds to you in the button or CO, what would you do?

I'd of course raise big (standard amount likely) with the above hands but then the situation rises when a limper with a strong hand calls you and they hit the board well than you. (ex - AK limper vs A8s Hero with the Flop A 10 2)

2. If they don't hit the board they are likely not to continue but if they do, do you keep on betting aggressively? Or do you take precautions and try to pot control? (Sometimes it's hard to know they are calling with a good hand or just a medium pair because they just check call.)

3. From question 1, if you have a low pair or a low pair or a low connecter like 54s what would you do? Limp in with them? Or raise? (Sometimes almost all of them will call no matter how high you raise,)

Would like to know your thoughts :)
 
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1. I would always call. Those hands are very good in multiway pot against passive players. You would raise to get folds, and you don’t get those.
2. Being aggressive vs passive fish with air is as stupid as being non aggressive with made hand, if not more.
3. I would limp always, even out of position. Your goal and mission is to see flops against fish. Just remember that multiway stack depth gets swallow fast, so you need to be extra careful on the flop not to chaise uncertain or dominated draws and to understand that a) raising draws to get folds is bad b) facing funny raises from passive fish is usually strength even though it makes no sense.

Lastly “At 2NL at least there are many fish who limps with huge preflop hands like AK, AQ or likewise from early positions. (Most of the time they limp almost every hand of course)” has nothing to do with the questions you made. As always you go with probabilities, the probability he is weak is 90% that means he is weak until he says otherwise.

And these are non book opinions, but I can’t see any other way to play these, so shoot me.

Another reason to raise is to isolate, but a) you need to know you have reasonable chance succeeding to do so also b) with many limplers the stack depth is swallow if you get even one call so isolation succeed, so speculative hands that like deep stack play are out of element c) you isolate to get headsup with fish (you isolate against other competent players), but if there is 3 fish and one reg already on the pot that is plenty to work with already
 
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Many players in this situations check out of position, I make a bet with AK in position if opp call that, in the turn go all-in if the board is a dry
 
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i totally understands this. There's this lady at my live casino who always limp with Aces... it rekt everyone post flop because she's lucky.
 
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You can burn your money as well, but why would you want to?

Raising the pot with a hand that has to hit hard or fold postflop is not a good way to keep your stack. Small hand/small pot.

If you know they will fold often enough, ok. But to bloat a pot, and then have multiple people in vs you with a marginal hand that will be worthless most of the time post, (not to mention in a MW pot with people who wont fold bottom pair or any draw) well, why would you want to be in this position?
 
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1. In a full ring where there are around 4 limpers and the action folds to you in the button or CO, what would you do?

rt: i call, why im going to make the pot big if they are "fishes" and they are going to call, im making a call with aj, aq.



2. If they don't hit the board they are likely not to continue but if they do, do you keep on betting aggressively? Or do you take precautions and try to pot control? (Sometimes it's hard to know they are calling with a good hand or just a medium pair because they just check call.)

rt: this depends about the flop texture but, if i make a raise pf, and its multiway and i dont hit the flop im probably chequing, if i have a strong draw im betting.

3. From question 1, if you have a low pair or a low pair or a low connecter like 54s what would you do? Limp in with them? Or raise? (Sometimes almost all of them will call no matter how high you raise,)

rt: like i say i will call a lot of hands, because i know they are not going to fold, so wich is the point of make the pot big, if there is 2 limpers i probably raise.
 
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Ok here's something I'd like to know others thoughts about..

At 2NL at least there are many fish who limps with huge preflop hands like AK, AQ or likewise from early positions. (Most of the time they limp almost every hand of course)

Lets say you are in late position and got a good suited connector like QJs or J10s or even Suited aces with a medium kicker.

1. In a full ring where there are around 4 limpers and the action folds to you in the button or CO, what would you do?

I'd of course raise big (standard amount likely) with the above hands but then the situation rises when a limper with a strong hand calls you and they hit the board well than you. (ex - AK limper vs A8s Hero with the Flop A 10 2)

2. If they don't hit the board they are likely not to continue but if they do, do you keep on betting aggressively? Or do you take precautions and try to pot control? (Sometimes it's hard to know they are calling with a good hand or just a medium pair because they just check call.)

3. From question 1, if you have a low pair or a low pair or a low connecter like 54s what would you do? Limp in with them? Or raise? (Sometimes almost all of them will call no matter how high you raise,)

Would like to know your thoughts :)
I believe that you need to look at what is going on on your table through out the game and play on 20%knowhow Nd 80% instinct. That is just my opinion.
 
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I would try to punish the limpers only against loose donkey players. If I assume they limping any hand to try to hit the flop, it's easy money.
But if they are just passive, it´s risky, because you will need to do a big raise to make everyone fold. With premium hands, they will call. With A, K, or Q on the flop, you will be probably in trouble.
 
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1. I would just call because when they're passive fish you have good implied odds against these players. Also there is no need to make the pot bigger with a speculative hand like a suited JQ.

2. just bet with Top pair,if they call you can still pot control and check behind the turn. just wait to hit a value hand against them and then just value bet big they will still pay you off even if you play very tight post flop.

3. In my opinion these are the hand where you can make huge profit when you hit 2 pair+ because they dont expect u having a small hand. So also just call they will make enough mistakes post flop to justify seeing a flop.

sorry for my grammar in my first post please correct my english:)!
lg vale
 
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