Waiting for big blind

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So I'm assuming that you all wait for the big blind before you start playing. How about waiting until you're UTG before leaving a table?

I have noticed that a few of the ratholing shortstackers wait until they are UTG before quitting. (That last sentence was inserted purely for the benefit of Stu Ungar).

All standard practice for you guys, I suppose - but how much difference does it make to overall winrate?
 
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Waiting for the BB makes a big difference. As for waiting until UTG to leave it doesn't really make difference at all. I don't leave when in LP, outside of that I'll stand up pretty much any time although I'll confess I do generally wait till I'm UTG to leave.
 
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Let's try to quantify it.

@ 200nl, 6-max:
* For every 6 hands you are dealt, you pay $3 (1.5bb) in blinds.
* 1 dealt hand = $0.50 (.25bb)
* Missing 1000 hands = $500 (250bb)

Scaling down to 2nl that means missing out on half a cent per hand or $5 of value for every 1000 missed hands.

This doesn't take into account relative values of positions though... like a hand on the button is probably worth 3x more the value of a hand in middle or early position.

I think that depending on how much volume you put in on a single table and how many hands you are missing and in which positions, leaving early and playing lots of short table sessions can have a noticeable effect long term.
 
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Let's try to quantify it.

@ 200nl, 6-max:
* For every 6 hands you are dealt, you pay $3 (1.5bb) in blinds.
* 1 dealt hand = $0.50 (.25bb)
* Missing 1000 hands = $500 (250bb)

Scaling down to 2nl that means missing out on half a cent per hand or $5 of value for every 1000 missed hands.

This doesn't take into account relative values of positions though... like a hand on the button is probably worth 3x more the value of a hand in middle or early position.

I think that depending on how much volume you put in on a single table and how many hands you are missing and in which positions, leaving early and playing lots of short table sessions can have a noticeable effect long term.

You won't lose a full bb on average so it's probably going to cost you something like 3 or 4 BIs per 100k hands. Really depends on how often you're changing tables though.
 
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I always sit out till I am in BB. For reasons stated. I almost always wait till I am UTG to leave as well if I can. When I wind a session down I just hit the "sit out next BB" button. Earlier today I was winding down a session, and UTG I got QQ and stacked a SS who pushed on my raise with 57s. (He was like 89/45, really lol) So if I had not waited I would have missed that. Had no hands come I would have lost a few minutes.

Altho when he hit a 5 and 2 of his suit on the flop I was a bit "lol, dont do this" BUT I held..:)
 
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I always sit out till I am in BB. For reasons stated. I almost always wait till I am UTG to leave as well if I can. When I wind a session down I just hit the "sit out next BB" button. Earlier today I was winding down a session, and UTG I got QQ and stacked a SS who pushed on my raise with 57s. (He was like 89/45, really lol) So if I had not waited I would have missed that. Had no hands come I would have lost a few minutes.

Altho when he hit a 5 and 2 of his suit on the flop I was a bit "lol, dont do this" BUT I held..:)
That ole man river...
 
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To be honest I don't think that it helps overall win rate at all. Its one hand out of how many in the session? that should be a nonfactor. They just dont want to put down another big blind before leaving.
 
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To be honest I don't think that it helps overall win rate at all. Its one hand out of how many in the session? that should be a nonfactor. They just dont want to put down another big blind before leaving.
Most ppl base their winnings off of bb/100. I think it's pretty common practice to just wait for bb to hit you before you start playing.
 
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To be honest I don't think that it helps overall win rate at all.
Maybe you play differently to me. I'm not playing just one or two tables for long periods of time. I jump from table to table, always seeking the best VPIP, players/flop ratio and average pot size. So to me I think it makes a significant difference.
 
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I dunno, I used to wait til UTG as last hand just to get the most rakeback or vip points I could. I figured my actual winrate was similar to if I was at a different table so the waiting was more influenced by those than winrate, since it wouldn't change all that much. I used to open my new table, go ahead and start and basically sit out the first table.
 
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If you think posting before the BB is a nonfactor, you're crazy. The essence of poker is fighting for what's in the middle and posting more in the middle with a random hand is a surefire way to lose money.
 
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Sometimes I post w/o waiting cuz I don't give a f__k.
Also, cuz I think I pick up a bit of added ev by hoping it's noticed by some regs. who'll potentially make a note of it (mental note or otherwise). Big % of the time I'll raise it up too.. adding on '1bb' for the idiot limper who posted w/o waiting (errr... I mean 'me', lol).

Haven't been able to come up with a mathematical equation to REALLY prove whether or not this has been +ev for me or not... although it has gotten me alot of action when I showdown that first hand > 53o. It's defo +fv though (f-fun)
 
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