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Started a discussion with a friend about a particular player we have in our live games. This guy is way too loose preflop and bets almost all the time on the flop as preflop raiser or when checked to in position, but often gives up after the flop. We were discussing the best ways to exploit this. Let's assume we have a tightish image although he's caught us bluffing a few times.

Let's look at a particular situation. He has straddled UTG and we call in position. He raises his option as the straddler (which we expect more often than not). The flop is drawy with medium cards, let's say Ts 8s 2d. He acts first and cbets as he does 100% in this spot.

First question: Are we looking for balance or simply to exploit his tendencies?

Second, what do we do with this range of hands:
A. Our nut range that we would feel comfortable stacking off. Let's say AT, overpairs JJ+-QQ, KK-AA (plays differently than AT or JJ IMO), TT, 88, 22, T8 + huge draws (NFD+overs, KQ/KJss, Q9ss, J9ss, 97ss).
B. Good 1 pair hands, 99, T9-KT.
C. 6-9-out draws or gutshots + overs.
D. Weakish draws, such as gutter + over (J7)
E. Medium pairs and weak draws: 33-77, 8x.
F. Ax, Kx
G. total air
 
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First question: Are we looking for balance or simply to exploit his tendencies?

tl;dr, but that one is easy: against a fish, we play purely exploitative until we have really strong reasons to think he adjusts properly.
 
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Yeah you dont really need to balance vs fish. How does he react vs flop raises? Thats a pretty big point that you didnt include in the OP. If he shuts down then obviously you can float a lot and barrel or just raise on the flop.
 
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Well, that's the question, should we be floating more or raising the flop more?

I'd assume he continues with his good hands and draws and folds his air.
 
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Well, that's the question, should we be floating more or raising the flop more?

I'd assume he continues with his good hands and draws and folds his air.
Both will work.
 
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If he usually gives up after the flop then isn't floating better than raising the flop assuming we only have draws/air/weakish hands?

if we float two things can happen:

If he bets the flop, we call, he checks turn, we bet we win, yay!
he bets flop, we call, he bets turn, we fold oh well!

If we raise flop:

he bets, we raise, we take it down.
he bets, we raise, he 3bets fuuuuu
he bets, we raise, he calls

Idk, raising the flop seems to put us in more awkward positions again assuming we only have draws/air/weakish hands.
 
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If he usually gives up after the flop then isn't floating better than raising the flop assuming we only have draws/air/weakish hands?

if we float two things can happen:

If he bets the flop, we call, he checks turn, we bet we win, yay!
he bets flop, we call, he bets turn, we fold oh well!

If we raise flop:

he bets, we raise, we take it down.
he bets, we raise, he 3bets fuuuuu
he bets, we raise, he calls

Idk, raising the flop seems to put us in more awkward positions again assuming we only have draws/air/weakish hands.

yea this seems like your only option really...unless u want him calling a raise, just float and see wat comes out and tid since he gives up postflop neway...he seems like he'd b a pretty easy opponent to play against, i'd welcome that game any day lol
 
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