Can very bad cash games be beaten? (live cash)

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I Played some live cash last week at the casino (its not known for its poker expertise) I was confident going into this that I'd be able to make a decent profit over the coming weeks and going forth,

firstly the range of hands played is terrible they dont fold, they over bet with poor hands in the hope they win,
and you cant isolate your premium hands unless you raise 11-14x

I adopted a tactic of just playing tight and waiting to flop the goods or nut draws, it payed off twice but I was left bewildered and reluctant to play optimal style stuff
and ended up betting chips away with the goods post flop only for 3 or 4 players to keep calling looking for one outers or to hit there weak pairing kings Queens and jacks.

should these games be avoided?
or i it profitable to jut play hard and fast push or fold strategy with the top perecentage of hands? :)
 
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You're way too deep in those games to play pushbot.

Just iso huge with the top of your range and limp or minraise with spec hands. With TPTK you're usually good half the time or better even 4-way, so go to value town. But (and this is important) keep your bets small to give yourself good pot odds to get value because you will get coolered more often than you're probably comfortable with and the pot will get obscenely huge without much prodding anyway.

If you have a habitual isoer at your table though (this is very rare), just limp-3bet huge over him with your big hands. Once he stops isoing, just limp in a ton of spec hands (mostly Axs/Kxs/Qxs).
 
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You're way too deep in those games to play pushbot.

Just iso huge with the top of your range and limp or minraise with spec hands. With TPTK you're usually good half the time or better even 4-way, so go to value town. But (and this is important) keep your bets small to give yourself good pot odds to get value because you will get coolered more often than you're probably comfortable with and the pot will get obscenely huge without much prodding anyway.

If you have a habitual isoer at your table though (this is very rare), just limp-3bet huge over him with your big hands. Once he stops isoing, just limp in a ton of spec hands (mostly Axs/Kxs/Qxs).


thats pretty good advice I think I can work with that, :)
 
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Yeah like, a good standard sizing in big multiway pots is probably 1/2 pot on the flop, then 1/3 on the turn. Then on the river you can pick sizing depending on what you want your vilains to do.
 
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I don't play live but if you are deep and pots are multiway then top of the line premiums + speculative hands are the way to go. Just make sure you are drawing to the nuts :D

My troubles with 5NL "fish schools" are well known are I solved them (at least lately) only after I started including more speculative hands. Basically I am usually much better at ranging opponents than they are so there is my edge.
 
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Also if you have a nutty hand (any set, top two, middle-high flush, nut straight -- depends on texture), ignore my advice on small bets and just go to town. Usually someone has something good enough to call, and sometimes more than one person does.
 
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100% agree with Aleksei. Make them pay! Get good at putting people on ranges and calculating max sizing they will call.
 
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I have to agree with Aleksei on controlling the pot size , once you lose that you end up with very expensive bad beats as opposed to a more palatable loss.

You can't beat a fellow who won't fold without a hand so just attack when you have ammo and mitigate your losses when you don't.
 
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