varaiance or i just suck??

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idk if its just varaince or im just that bad.. it seems like i will win 1 or to BIs then right after go down 4 or 5 BIs.. i had a sweat session with a pretty good caoch few weeks ago and he helped me see where i was losing some money.. i was defending my blinds way too much.. but i have been fixing that but still seems the coolers and bad beats keep coming

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I'm sure your luck will change, i myself am going thru the worst downswing in 5 years. Been losing for 3 months non stop now,all to bad beats. Hang in there bud. And good luck at the tables.
 
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you probably suck, you should strive extremely hard before you start blaming variance.
Post stats if you want proper feedback
 
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dude we could like use more more stats here, tell us what level you play, if you played a lower level before and did you win there, and for how many hands and at what bb/100, also print screen some numbers from your program and give them to us.

also, if you win 2 BIs why not win 2 BIs and stop for the day? ever tryed it? who knows, maybe it works. maybe you get tired after a while and you start playing bad.
 
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It's looking downhill, and looking downhill the longer you play. I would not give up my day job at this point, or if I already gave up my dayjob, I would go back on my knees and plead for it back. It's hard to suggest to play freerolls, because the style of play is different than buy in tourneys.
 
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you probably suck, you should strive extremely hard before you start blaming variance.
Post stats if you want proper feedback

im well aware that this is a very small sample size to be blaming varaince already.. i guess just a little venting and looking for any advice if there is any to be givin
 
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dude we could like use more more stats here, tell us what level you play, if you played a lower level before and did you win there, and for how many hands and at what bb/100, also print screen some numbers from your program and give them to us.

also, if you win 2 BIs why not win 2 BIs and stop for the day? ever tryed it? who knows, maybe it works. maybe you get tired after a while and you start playing bad.

just posted up my HEM stats.. if i missed any or if i should put positional stats let me know.. i been playing 25 nl 6 max.. i normally play 2 or 3 tables at a time.. and normally if i am up 2 BIs and i feel im just chipping away or things are starting to turn .. i get up and play the next day .. but doesnt seem to fail that the next day i give it all back and more.. maybe i should play longer when im winning??
 
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Raise and fold more.
Stop calling so many raises, stop (open) limping.
21/10 is really a gap u should try to close down more.

You could probably get away with stealing more.
And maybe try beeing more aggresive postflop, more bet/folds vs check/calls.
 
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positional stats will help as well. is this fullring or 6max? and how big do you make your cbets? you can filter for # of players and look at cbet success for 2 players and 2+ players seeing a flop. you dont want to cbet bluff into a multiway pot. another stat to play with is 3bet. seems you call 60% you need to defend your range roughly 70% of the time(depends on 3bet size and if in blinds etc)defend meaning calling and 4betting. do you call 3bet OOP with under 120bbs? you would rather 4bet or fold OOP 100bbs deep. as for your question just assume you suck. that way your always open to learn and find more leaks.
 
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positional stats will help as well. is this fullring or 6max? and how big do you make your cbets? you can filter for # of players and look at cbet success for 2 players and 2+ players seeing a flop. you dont want to cbet bluff into a multiway pot. another stat to play with is 3bet. seems you call 60% you need to defend your range roughly 70% of the time(depends on 3bet size and if in blinds etc)defend meaning calling and 4betting. do you call 3bet OOP with under 120bbs? you would rather 4bet or fold OOP 100bbs deep. as for your question just assume you suck. that way your always open to learn and find more leaks.

its 6max... my cbet is usually 4 to 5 bbs .. n yea sometimes i do call 3bets oop with pairs and like ak aq suited with less then 120bbs.. the tables max 100bbs to start.. should i be 4betting more in those situations instead of calling oop??.. and yea by no means do i think im great in anyway lol.. im always willing to take some advice on my game to tweak it.. thats why im coming here
 
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you probably suck, you should strive extremely hard before you start blaming variance.
Post stats if you want proper feedback

Skaplun, this forum is intended to be a friendly place. Flat out saying someone sucks without any kind of constructive criticism especially to a new member is definitely frowned upon.


K pokercow. Obviously you see where you are losing the most money. You are defending your blinds too much, and if that has been addressed via the sweat session then you already know you need to work on that. You definitely need to try to play in position more. You should really not worry too much about your SB + BB position, this is a serious leak with many players. And betting OOP when you are in the SB/BB is only going to lose you money. If you have such a hand as AKs and QQ+ in the Small or Big blind, I'd 3-bet instead of flat call.

6-Max has a lot more variance opposed to full ring too, maybe you want to give full ring a go and see how it goes?
 
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ya i'd ask your coach about that one for the most part you need to 4bet or fold OOP. mostly because you are now denied setmining odds w/pairs. And i think for the most part just 4bet AK and AQ. your OOP and the more money in the pot while your ahead the less the positional advantage plays. and not sure about the cbets but for the most part they should be 2/3 the pot but as you learn bet sizing this will change. idk really know much about cash games and only fullring at that so really cant comment on stats. but it does seem a little nitty for 6max. as posted earlier work on that gap between your vpip and pfr by calling less often and raising more. just by 4bet or fold from OOP this may help a little as well.
 
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K pokercow. Obviously you see where you are losing the most money. You are defending your blinds too much, and if that has been addressed via the sweat session then you already know you need to work on that. You definitely need to try to play in position more. You should really not worry too much about your SB + BB position, this is a serious leak with many players. And betting OOP when you are in the SB/BB is only going to lose you money. If you have such a hand as AKs and QQ+ in the Small or Big blind, I'd 3-bet instead of flat call.

6-Max has a lot more variance opposed to full ring too, maybe you want to give full ring a go and see how it goes?
^^^this +1. Don't fool around too much, right now you'd be better off just folding the blinds unless you have +AQ or +QQ. Maybe work with the person who you did the sweat with and concentrate on stealing a bit more - seems like you're a little too focused defending as opposed to picking good spots to 4-bet. You can figure it out, don't worry, there's lots of good info here in the Golden Archives as well. Good luck, and welcome to the forums.
 
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Got to agree... defending your blinds way too hard. Only defend them when you have premium hands or can get into a free flop and hit something.
 
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the intention was not to break OP
but to amplify the need for material so that we can analyze his play.
I think i have always been a nice guy.
 
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As for op... this is what I'd do:

stop playing from EP, completely.
You are winning from all other positions so play there and dont play where you are unprofitable.
tighten up ALOT.
I play around 14\12. I am a nit I know but I make money, people will say its exploitable but in 10NL-20NL no one is exploiting you and if 1 or 2 people do let them.

never call, unless its with a reason.
Play more aggressive, natural tendency of people is to put others at the top of their range. even if your not thinking in ranges yet your mind does the pattern analysis for you based on past experiences. The ones we remember most are the ones that scarred us. your natural pattern analysis is generally off and so you play calling stationy.
Your agg factor is 1.6
mine is around 3.5

stop making river calls, you're not good enough for that.
stop calling 3bets, its unprofitable and no matter how you spin it, it will remain unprofitable.

my 2 cents

btw in my opinion everyone should start as a nit, you need to learn how to play the cards you got by repetition and analysis. play less cards, understand how to play with them and when to fold them (even AA, KK.) and then expand your range.
 
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the intention was not to break OP
but to amplify the need for material so that we can analyze his play.
I think i have always been a nice guy.

you probably suck, you should strive extremely hard before you start blaming variance.
Post stats if you want proper feedback

How was this nice?
 
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don't take me so harshly,
I apologize if I offended OP
 
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Honestly I'm not going to spend a lot of time analyzing your play because others seem to have done so, but if you can't beat lower limits (your All in EV is still well in the red) you need to fix your game
 
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Id say move down to where they dont respect your raises.

Play super tight and play the valuetown game. Play really, really tight(like maybe 12/10 or something)and only open up your game when you feel like your more comfortable with certain hands/positions and you have established a good win rate over a decent sample size.

People have givin some good advice here so I wont repeat it all again.

One thing that hasnt been mentioned is table slection. It wont be hard finding fishy tables but just make sure you have some real nitty players in the blinds to your direct left. Not only can you steal their blinds a lot but you can also be sure to have position more often when you raise(with big hands of course) in MP.
 
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Raise more IP, play less from the blinds, and flop a bit more easily :)
 
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Like others have said, you're probably defending your blinds way too much.

If you're ever finding yourself saying things like, "Well, I've already got some money in the pot, I might as well call for the rest." or "It's a cheap call, I've already got my small blind in there." or other similar thought processes...stop yourself right there and ask yourself if its really a good play and why you're trying to talk yourself into it if it is a good play.
 
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