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1)SOMEBODY FLOPS A SET AND THERE IS FLUSH DRAW ON FLOP.ON THE TURN A 3RD CARD OF THE SOME COLOR COMES.SHOULD HE CONTINUE WITH HIS PLAN ,BETTING THE TURN AND SHOVING THE RIVER?

2)HOW ABOUT WHEN HE FLOPS A STRAIGHT WITH 2 CARDS OF THE SOME COLOR AND THE TURN BRINGS A THIRD ONE?

3)HOW ABOUT WHEN SOMEBODY FLOPS A FLUSH AND AT THE TURN THE BOARD PAIRS?

4)HOW ABOUT ONE FLOPS 2 PAIR AND AT THE TURN CARD BRINGS THE POSSIBILITY OF A STRAIGH/FLUSH/FULL?

ARE ALL THOSE SITUATIONS THE SAME?SHOULD ONE ALWAYS BET-BET-SHOVE WHEN THOSE HAPPEN?
 
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1) Lol all because flush hits doesnt mean they always have a flush. If villain is loose you can bet turn and shove river everytime.
2) Same thing as above.. You should only really hate ur straight if the turn AND river brings the same "color"
3) Seriously? LOL
4) This u can possibly bet/fold turn n river vs some villains

Don't always bet,bet,shove.. If your against a tighter opponent you will get in bad spots too often doin this.. Against the loose fishies, its fine.
 
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This is all going to be completely dependent on stack sizes and opponent's tendencies. For instance, if the pot is 100 and you have 100 behind, then folding a very strong hand just in case there is a stronger one is probably very bad. On the other hand, if there is 1,000 behind and you know from experience your opponent is very unlikely to be in without the nuts or close to it, then you may want to slow down or even fold. There is no one-size-fits-all answer for this.
 
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What they said; the players range betting habits, and stack sizes should dictate play here. I perfer to bet-fold most of the time against an unknown or tight player. Few players have the guts to raise with air in the face of continued agression. Against players who like to chase, I usually try to exercise pot control amd fold to any sizeable bet.
---That said, If I flat called the flop with tpgk or a draw (even a different one), I may raise a scare card If I think I can get a fold fairly often.
 
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Is the cap locks on OP's keyboard broke? ...or is he assuming that we're all blind?
 
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I think I know entirely what your point is. I see these combinations that your mentioning a lot of the time when playing online and sometimes it affects my aggression level making me scared to play in the face of strong bets/raises. In addition to taking the members' above advice, which is quite sound, I always try to remember 1 major thing when in these situations: "What are the odds that they DIDN"T hit their card?" as opposed to "...Well with those particular cards on the board they MUST have hit a..." which is the wrong way to think, unless whatever ranges they tend to play fit that pattern as well bet/raise sizes as mentioned above...
 
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Easy rule really.

Bet unless raised.
 
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after looking at and replying to some of your threads today it seems you are looking for one answer set in stone. All of the above questions depend on your opponent, their posistion, their range.. no one can give you a good answer imo. instead post hands with the situation along with stats.

What you need to remember is that when a flush or straight comes in. If they havent got it it acts as a scare card. Which means if you are ahead yout not going to get paid off so often. So if your planning on getting stacks in with tptk type hands your forcing them to have the goods.

you need to think about their whole range and the best way to get value from it. Most players these days are good enough not to get all in for 100b stacks in single raised pots with tpwk. if you want value from these types of hands you need to bet smaller to keep in the weaker part of their range.
 
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after looking at and replying to some of your threads today it seems you are looking for one answer set in stone. All of the above questions depend on your opponent, their posistion, their range.. no one can give you a good answer imo. instead post hands with the situation along with stats.

What you need to remember is that when a flush or straight comes in. If they havent got it it acts as a scare card. Which means if you are ahead yout not going to get paid off so often. So if your planning on getting stacks in with tptk type hands your forcing them to have the goods.

you need to think about their whole range and the best way to get value from it. Most players these days are good enough not to get all in for 100b stacks in single raised pots with tpwk. if you want value from these types of hands you need to bet smaller to keep in the weaker part of their range.

Agree.Actually the opposite is true.When your opponent sees a busted draW on river,you can big,as opponent Will often call thinking you Were after that.

(Lol,a strange think is happening With my keyboard.I can Write 'W' capital,but not the small one! Does anybody knoW What is happening???)
 
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Agree.Actually the opposite is true.When your opponent sees a busted draW on river,you can big,as opponent Will often call thinking you Were after that.

(Lol,a strange think is happening With my keyboard.I can Write 'W' capital,but not the small one! Does anybody knoW What is happening???)

Problem solved.It must have been a table ninja problem.It worked after i closed it.
 
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+1 on what the Genera1 said
bet till you are played back then reassess
 
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In all 4 cases you are damned if you do, and damned if you don't. I would rather be damned for something I did, than for something I didn't do.

Anytime you give a villain a chance to catch up, he will (or so it seems). So at bare minimum learn the odds involved in those 4 cases (and other very general cases) so that you can deny your villains proper odds to call you. In other words, make em pay dearly for chasing.
 
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after looking at and replying to some of your threads today it seems you are looking for one answer set in stone. All of the above questions depend on your opponent, their posistion, their range.. no one can give you a good answer imo. instead post hands with the situation along with stats.

What you need to remember is that when a flush or straight comes in. If they havent got it it acts as a scare card. Which means if you are ahead yout not going to get paid off so often. So if your planning on getting stacks in with tptk type hands your forcing them to have the goods.

you need to think about their whole range and the best way to get value from it. Most players these days are good enough not to get all in for 100b stacks in single raised pots with tpwk. if you want value from these types of hands you need to bet smaller to keep in the weaker part of their range.


I like this answer.

OP post some hands with comments on any reads from opponents. Every situation has the possibility of being unique, meaning it will be situational and not have a standard solution. Some will, of course, but, as always.... "it depends"
 
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