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I opened 2.5x from UTG with A10o. Normally I would fold this but I just folded for 3 orbits straight so I played it. UTG+1 flats and 2 other flats from the HJ and BTN. Flop comes As10cJc. Good flop for me but dangerous. I c-bet. UTG +1 min raises my bet, everyone else folds and then I re-raise. Villain flats my re-raise and the turn comes a 8c. At this point i know I'm either way ahead or way behind but I have about 1/3 pot left as does villain so I just ship it. He turns up with AJo. These situations seem to burn me a lot. Any help?
 
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Thats a hard hand to get away from. If anything the clubs might've scared me off.
 
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Yeah the clubs were scary. At that point I figured they had AK,AQ,AJ a few weaker Ax combos and then clubs. Plus the player had played 7 hands in a row up to this point and shoved his stack earlier on a flush draw... Tough spot.
 
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This hand history really needs number of players, stack sizes and to include what limit this is. It is hard to say how good or bad ATo is UTG without that information, as well as talk intelligently about other decisions.

Flop, as played, is horrible. OOP 4-way, I might "check/decide" in this spot. But, I could see a case for betting against passive opponents. When you bet, and get min-raised by the player immediately to your left (who still has two players to act behind him), that is extremely strong. And, your hand doesn't do well against anything that raises from that spot. Even the best case (AcKc or AcQc) has you with only 40% equity. Alright, I guess JT could be in there, but KQ has more combinations and kills you anyway. Against a reasonable range, you are crushed. And, it would take an absolute maniac to raise blind with two people who haven't acted yet behind them. When you 3-bet and get called, it isn't a "way ahead, way behind" spot. It's a "way, way, way behind" spot.

You might be able to defend the idea of calling the min-raise, because it offers such great odds, but raising is indefensible. I think folding is probably the better choice. I might call more often if I c-bet, got two folds, and the person in last position min-raised. As their range is weaker. When it is someone sandwiched like this player, I think top and bottom pair is just too weak on this board. There are very few turn cards that I will like.
 
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What better hands are going to fold here here and what worse hands are going to call?

No flush is folding. No trips are folding. No straights are folding.

If you have the Ac (you didn't mention), then there are a lot fewer bluff combos out there. If you don't, someone might have AcX, but I don't see a ton of hands calling here. I'd probably check here and the river would be close if he jammed.
 
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I opened 2.5x from UTG with A10o. Normally I would fold this but I just folded for 3 orbits straight so I played it. UTG+1 flats and 2 other flats from the HJ and BTN. Flop comes As10cJc. Good flop for me but dangerous. I c-bet. UTG +1 min raises my bet, everyone else folds and then I re-raise. Villain flats my re-raise and the turn comes a 8c. At this point i know I'm either way ahead or way behind but I have about 1/3 pot left as does villain so I just ship it. He turns up with AJo. These situations seem to burn me a lot. Any help?

Tons of info missing here. Full ring? 6 max? Stack sizes?


My advice would be to muck A-10o UTG at FR, and don't think about it again. It is totally irrelevant that you "just folded for 3 orbits straight". This doesn't make the hand any better. It doesn't change the spot.

Patience and discipline are both valuable in poker. Not only do we need to know fundamentals, but we also need to execute them. We need to have the self control to not allow ourselves to get into spots like this.

When you bet flop, and get minraised, yeah dude, just fold. He can KQ, AJ, JJ, AKcc probably worst hand he has here.
 
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I don't know man, small pots small pots small pots without the nuts I guess?? Idk
 
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Unfortunately this is a lottery (( everybody has stories: you have KK and the opponent has 22 and the opponent wins bankroll with the trio of 22 or full-house..
 
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Its allways difficult to fold 2 pair but in this situation there a few possible stronger hands which could easily be in his range. Only when he is a very loose player you could call but most of the time i would just fold after his re-raise post flop
 
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It depends on Villan's player profile and also on your image at the table. If i knew he is nit player I would definitely fold here, if he is aggressive loose I shove after his raise, that hand is really opponent dependent
 
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