Using HUD information

I don't think that I use PAHUD enough or properly.


Given the standard

1) VP$IP
2) PFR
3) Total Aggression, and maybe
4) Went to showdown (?)


which ones do you use to help you:


- decide to steal the blinds

- decide to raise limpers

- decide to call a PFR

- decide to 3-bet


- decide to c-bet or not

- decide to value bet or to help you decide how much

- decide to call down with a marginal hand

- decide to play aggressively with a hand or a good draw?





I realize that a lot of this is card/position/stack size dependent as well, but which HUD stats do you review before making your decision in these situations?

This is a nearly overly-generalized question here, NL.

I'm going to just assume 100bb eff. stacks in rings.

Most are kind of self explanatory, but other stats could give me a better idea of how likely I am to steal ie:

- decide to steal the blinds = vpip (the lower the vpip the more likey I am to steal, though 'fold bb/sb to steal' would be way more helpful).

- decide to raise limpers = vpip, though 'call pf raise' would be more helpful

We could actually make a whole thread for like each of these situations. Way too general of a question, sorry NL

ChuckTs said:

We could actually make a whole thread for like each of these situations. Way too general of a question, sorry NL

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Yep, though some might not get many responses. Or maybe split into 2 or 3 threads by situation or something.


I realize that it's generalized, but it's not for making the decision, just what do you consider or include when making the decision.


I guess I could start with some of the ones I try to remember, and people could disagree/add:


- steal blinds; low VPIP as you say
- raise limpers; VPIP
- call PFR, PFR; if PFR is high, it means more garbage. I'm not sure how much and to what degree VPIP and total aggression should be considered if these are high as well.
- 3-bet; I think the same as with call PFR, looking for weak raising

- c-bet; I don't really use any of these, maybe I should? Maybe total aggression would indicate if they are likely to test the c-bet with air, or maybe that's stretching it.
- value bet; showdown percentage tells me if they are calling stations/chasers
- call down with marginal; VPIP and total aggression, if both are high they play weak hands fast
- aggressively; same as above, which is something that I learned from Chuck.


I dunno if that helps much. I realize it is highly generalized, but these are just considerations, not determining factors.

To add my take on your situations above,

NineLions said:

- steal blinds; low VPIP as you say

also small pfr as they're less likely to reraise, more likely to call/fold

- call PFR, PFR; if PFR is high, it means more garbage. I'm not sure how much and to what degree VPIP and total aggression should be considered if these are high as well.

Well again this is situational - we should probably be 3-betting a wider range if our opponent has a huge PFR%, whereas we should be also calling all pairs vs say an EP raiser who's got a <%1 PFR since we'll easily stack AA there.

- c-bet; I don't really use any of these, maybe I should? Maybe total aggression would indicate if they are likely to test the c-bet with air, or maybe that's stretching it.

again, situational. We should use vpip kind of generally to decide how likely it is our opponent has hit the flop based on it's texture, and from that we can figure out how often we should c-bet. Yes, also AF is a helpful stat in determining how likely you think your opponent is to ch-r bluff you, or ch-c your bet.

- value bet; showdown percentage tells me if they are calling stations/chasers

True. Keep in mind WSD% is 'went to showdown when saw flop', meaning that it's something that should be applied more postflop, in conjunction with other stats.

- aggressively; same as above, which is something that I learned from Chuck.

Yeah this is the stat that's most useful when you're going for a double-barrel or trying to value bet basically. The more likely they are to see a showdown, the more likely they are to call v-bets/bluffs.

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the situations you use could definitely use vpip/pfr/ta for figuring out the best line, but there are plenty of other, more helpful stats found just by clicking the player's name (ie the dropdown list).

Things like 'fold bb/sb to steal' for steals, 'fold to c-bet' for c-bets, 'fold turn to c-bet' for double barrels, etc etc etc.

I'm personally still barely breaking through pahud's default stats, but hope that someday we get a thread stickied that shows exactly how to use each stat in certain situations.

There really are infinite possibilities, but no other forum/site really goes into too much depth with this and I think we should look into it.

ChuckTs said:

To add my take on your situations above,



the situations you use could definitely use vpip/pfr/ta for figuring out the best line, but there are plenty of other, more helpful stats found just by clicking the player's name (ie the dropdown list).

Things like 'fold bb/sb to steal' for steals, 'fold to c-bet' for c-bets, 'fold turn to c-bet' for double barrels, etc etc etc.

I'm personally still barely breaking through pahud's default stats, but hope that someday we get a thread stickied that shows exactly how to use each stat in certain situations.

There really are infinite possibilities, but no other forum/site really goes into too much depth with this and I think we should look into it.

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Yeah, I'm currently using VPIP, PFR, TotAggr, WtSD, plus C-bet, call c-bet,fold c-bet and aggression frequency all on the display so I don't have to pull down the detail. Plus I just added my own table stats since I keep checking when I'm multitabling to see how I'm repping myself on that table. It made sense to have it always displayed

But it's partly after watch yours and other multitable players videos and making decisions with the help of the displayed basic stats that leads me to think that I don't make enough use of them.

Well that's probably a case of me not using the non-default stats enough as opposed to you not using the default stats to their full potential.

Like I said, I'm still learning how to use the stats and still don't refer to them as often as I should. I play more on feel which is pretty silly considering I 8-table.

I like to keep these things fairly simply.

I use as well as the default. % call c-bet and %Win at showdown. It lets me know who's more likely to float me (a big trend atm) and whos gonna reach showdown with a very strong hand, ie who not to call down light.

I woulnt over complicate things here, usually you need to be making fairly quick decisions, and having to look at 15 stats just dosnt suit my game.

Yeah, and maybe I am trying to overcomplicate, but I'm pretty sure I'm missing out on some basic useful considerations too.


Maybe what I need to do is to write down the ones that I think I should check in various situations, and then try to remember to actually look at them.