Originally Posted by baudib1
First of all, it's hard to believe someone only has 3-bet range of KK+/AK, I mean if you have a good sample on them and their 3-bet % is like 2.5 ok.
But it depends on position, game flow, how much money is already in the pot, and the action so far.
In position you should be 3-betting for value with a range that has great equity against their opening range (again, based on stats, position, reads) and 3-bet bluffing (with hands that still have some equity against their continuing range) when they have a weak range (let's say you are BTN and they are CO and have a high steal %) and fold too much to 3-bets.
At 5NL most villains are 3betting very
narrowly. A 3 bet range of 2-3% is not uncommon. You do run into some who have discovere light 3-betting who run around 6-7%. I shove my QQ against these guys.
Originally Posted by WVHillbilly
You need to take the money in the pot into consideration as well.
So if you hold QQ and your opponent only 3bets with KK+/AK you can still call/shove if you're pot odds
dictate that you only need 40% equity.
Easiest way to figure out how much equity you need to call a shove is (amount to call / amount to call + amount in pot). So if your opponent opens for 3bbs and you 3bet to 10 bbs and he shoves for 100bbs you shouldn't call with QQ assuming his range is on KK+/AK because 90bbs (amount to call) / 110bbs (amount in pot) + 90bbs (amount to call) = 90/200 = .45 or 45%. So since QQ has ~40% against his range you should fold. Now if he only has say 35bbs to start the hand you should call because you only need about 35% equity for the call to be profitable and we have 40%.
I would recommend Poker Math That Matters (http://qtippoker.com/) as a nice poker math introduction. Knowing this stuff will help you.
Just reread your OP and realized you're not talking about an AI situation. You can't really use Stove's equity the we you're thinking unless you're AI because it gives your equity if you see all remaining cards. So when/if you'd ever consider flatting a 3bet to set-mine you should be concerned with things like remaining stack sizes and how likely an opponent is to stack post flop but not having 40% equity if All-in.
First of all, sorry for my rants the other day. It was a descent into darkness. I was literally crazy from poker but after posting all that stuff I felt like a great weight had been lifted from my shoulders and I know feel right in my head when I'm playing again.
2nd, thanks again for the excellent responses. I am looking into the Poker Math that matters. Are there any other good books that deal with playing the micros that talks about SPR, equity, etc.? I feel like the Sklansky, Miller/ Mehta books are talking about a type of Poker that I may never see.