up and down straight draw?

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you have an up and down straight draw on a rianbow flop on the button with another three also in the pot action is checked to you? should you bet out for value or just take the free card? thanks.
 
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Well you wouldnt be betting for value since you are semi bluffing, but whether or not to bet depends on a lot of information. What happened preflop? What are the other players like? Is this tourny or cash? How deep is everyone? What is the flop?
 
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Depends on preflop action and players, but usually I would bet at least half the pot to:

- take the pot down right there
- see where im at eg. are the others calling/reraising
- hide my draw to make them think I bet a pair

This counts for Cash Games.
 
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sorry tourney one limp before me 2.5x BB raise followed by three calls
i had 98c and flop was 3710
 
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Im no tourney player, but it depends even more on the blinds and stack sizes of the players in the hand . I guess I would still bet it.
 
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I don't have problems betting after the flop when I have a hand like that, but when I bet and get called, or vice versa, then when the turn comes and I don't hit my straight, I have problems with whether to call big, big bets with just the river and only two possible cards to win. I would look at how pot-committed I am (How do I calculate whether I should fold at that time due to pot-committedness?). It seems that when I check to see the free card and then don't hit my straight, that I always hesitate to call after the turn because I don't know what my odds are on calling considering how pot-committed I am.

Edit: didn't phrase my question well. Basically, in online poker I don't have much time to think about pot-committedness; is there a shortcut to know whether it is advantageous to fold to a certain mid-sized bet (with 3 players or 4 etc.). I don't have time to think about it, before I run out of time. I can call for time, but it doesn't help :)
 
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personally I`m probably betting here. This obv depends on the other players tendincies of course. This does 2 things really. 1 it represents hands you don`t have and it may win the pot right there. 2 the value alone if others call. You have probably just bought the lead inb the hand and have full control of the turn. Betting after the flop seems to have alot of +EV to me.
 
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Based on info you gave I think I would probably bet. If I get check raised, I fold. I am hoping to take it down right then.
 
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Thats a tough one... well most of the time i would just check it. If someone
hit a set or any other monster and is checking, well the reraise would
make you loose your raise and the chance to catch, and if you had caught
the straight... well let me tell you that you would have made a lot of
money against that guy with the monster set, obviously unless he catches
full but that is unlikely to happen. If no one has anything, well you could
steal the pot but you should be quite sure that your read is correct, and
even if someone calls in that situation, you can follow up with another
raise if you want, regardless if you catch your straight or not.
 
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I would bet it at least half pot, need to see where ti stands and maybe pull it down. If the str8 hits on the turn maybe check to draw a bet.
 
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There is no right or wrong answer to this. It depends so much on how the hand has developed betting wise and also on the stack sizes. The answer could be completely different depending on the preflop and flop betting.
 
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I would bet a small amount. Sometimes i'll do this and then I get reraised. Turn card is a blank for me and they bet big, i call then the river is a blank. I guess some days i would check it and some days i would bet it. Bet small would probably be the decent play here, maybe get 2 callers and if you hit your straight, you can bet bigger and hopefully they hit 2 pair. Pots get big when a lot of people are in the pot. Betting would preferably be the best bet and if none call, win a small pot.
 
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This depends on the stage of the tournament. If you are short stacked and near the bubble, you can make an argument towards pushing in that spot or just checking to see your free turn card. If you are a mid to large stack, you bet there a high % of the time. Your worst case scenario would be to stick out a 1/2 pot probe bet and have someone come over the top with there set or 2 pair and you don't get to see that free turn card you could have had to outdraw and knock them out on the turn.

As a general rule I am betting more in this spot when I have a big stack, or a very low stack, I am checking more when I have more of an average stack.
 
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It would depend on the stage of the tournament, and my opponent, but in most cases i will usually always bet my draws on the flop, the turn and if i don't get my draw i can't stop myself from bluffing at the river especially if my opponent never raised, because if they were to raise me on the flop or turn, depending on the size i could of folded a straight draw, but i think it's also ok to check it down and keep the pot small.
 
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In a tourney you always take the free card, always, if you get check-raised what are you going to do now? You have to chuck it. I'm not as confident with cash but a standard bet might be good, good disguise, and if you hit you have more in the pot to make a decent value bet into. Of course you might take it down right there which is always good.
 
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As others have mentioned, it depends upon many variables but without knowing the details I would be apt to just check behind if I'm on a table of where players are likely to be check-raising flopped sets, or where they are huge calling stations. My hand will still be somewhat disguised when (if) I hit, and if they're loose calling stations I'm still likely to get paid off. It really depends on what kind of players you have on your table (along with other stuff mentioned above).
Generally speaking, I will semi-bluff bet out on draws if on a table with TAG players but am more apt to check behind if in a hand with calling stations.
 
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