thepokerkid123
Visionary
Silver Level
Ok, so there's a reason I lurk here a lot. I tilt when I play online. Tilt has almost no effect on theory, so I can still pick the best play, I just can't do it five times in a minute with MY bb's on the line.
So anyway, here's what's going on, it's been like this since I started playing online, tell me what you'd do.
Tilt:
I put too many chips in. I justify this thin value bet against the tiniest of ranges, I justify a call with the thinest of odds.
I think people are adjusting to me and floating a lot, or 3betting me a lot, or playing back against my (very loose) 3bets, I basically think they're on a higher level of thought than they are. I know I'll rarely come across strong players so everyone turns into one of them in my mind.
I get up by a couple of buy ins and I go on "positive tilt", I start thinking about the bb's and have to leave the table, I check how many hands and... yep, there's another session limitted to like 150 hands. Great.
Losing doesn't actually tilt me, although I may make slightly loose plays (Prospect theory. After losses, more losses don't register as much and getting back what was lost gains more value. This certainly applies to my state of mind).
I've tried putting my ranges on paper so I can't stuff them up as much, but the problem is in adjusting them, they constantly have to be adjusted and that's where I screw up when I'm tilting.
I have to play fewer tables because my winrate drops, fewer tables means fewer hands.
The main situations where my tilt gets obvious: blind defence (too many 3bets), CO (playing too wide), anything post-flop when I think people are playing back at me (I don't fold, my logic seems sound until I look at it later...).
Online/Live:
I have no tilt problems live, I can play 48 hours (or more) live without tilting. Granted there's an hour or two around the 24 hour mark where I'm a zombie, but I just fold a lot and play my cards so it's minimal, but I don't tilt. I mean, sure one session in 10 I'll get out of line, but the effect on my winrate is minimal.
I'd been playing live for a while, making enough $$$ to get by off of that (student, it's this is or flipping burgers, which is why the few dollars I make is a living). I planned to knock out 20k hands per week when shifting to online, have the time to do it. I did 20k first week just fine, after that started not being able to knock out even 1k hands per day without tilt issues.
It's kind of weird actually, I can have 2x my entire online BR in the middle of the table when I'm playing live and am just fine, but it's the bb's that kill me.
Goals:
Basically for me to play online seriously, I need to get to stakes where I can withdraw a few hundred per week, my honest assessment of my skill level is that I'm better than most regs up to $50nl but may have issues with the rake but I'm in striking distance of profitable at $50nl (an no, I've never played it, but I've seen it and know people who play it and have been around poker for quite a while). My problem? I'm not rolled for it because I can't/won't put in the hands without tilting, I could just deposit it but if I can't win my way to those stakes I probably shouldn't be playing them.
Currently sitting at $25nl and when I'm not on my game (at least half of the time) $10nl.
I know the obvious sollution to all of this is to just play live but there are serious advantages to playing online. Besides, so far I've been unable to satisfactorily beat online poker, I don't like not being able to do stuff, there's pride involved.
All of the online play is 6max, live is FR but kinda plays like 6max a lot of the time and I go between TAG and LAG, spend more time LAG though (which I think I do reasonably well to be honest).
BRM is already at a nitty 30BI minimum to play a certain stake 100BI maximum after which I'll no longer allow myself to play it.
So anyway, what are the sollutions?
Play tighter?
Play more mechanically (write up ranges that I have to follow)?
Learn to play poker?
Any other ideas?
So anyway, here's what's going on, it's been like this since I started playing online, tell me what you'd do.
Tilt:
I put too many chips in. I justify this thin value bet against the tiniest of ranges, I justify a call with the thinest of odds.
I think people are adjusting to me and floating a lot, or 3betting me a lot, or playing back against my (very loose) 3bets, I basically think they're on a higher level of thought than they are. I know I'll rarely come across strong players so everyone turns into one of them in my mind.
I get up by a couple of buy ins and I go on "positive tilt", I start thinking about the bb's and have to leave the table, I check how many hands and... yep, there's another session limitted to like 150 hands. Great.
Losing doesn't actually tilt me, although I may make slightly loose plays (Prospect theory. After losses, more losses don't register as much and getting back what was lost gains more value. This certainly applies to my state of mind).
I've tried putting my ranges on paper so I can't stuff them up as much, but the problem is in adjusting them, they constantly have to be adjusted and that's where I screw up when I'm tilting.
I have to play fewer tables because my winrate drops, fewer tables means fewer hands.
The main situations where my tilt gets obvious: blind defence (too many 3bets), CO (playing too wide), anything post-flop when I think people are playing back at me (I don't fold, my logic seems sound until I look at it later...).
Online/Live:
I have no tilt problems live, I can play 48 hours (or more) live without tilting. Granted there's an hour or two around the 24 hour mark where I'm a zombie, but I just fold a lot and play my cards so it's minimal, but I don't tilt. I mean, sure one session in 10 I'll get out of line, but the effect on my winrate is minimal.
I'd been playing live for a while, making enough $$$ to get by off of that (student, it's this is or flipping burgers, which is why the few dollars I make is a living). I planned to knock out 20k hands per week when shifting to online, have the time to do it. I did 20k first week just fine, after that started not being able to knock out even 1k hands per day without tilt issues.
It's kind of weird actually, I can have 2x my entire online BR in the middle of the table when I'm playing live and am just fine, but it's the bb's that kill me.
Goals:
Basically for me to play online seriously, I need to get to stakes where I can withdraw a few hundred per week, my honest assessment of my skill level is that I'm better than most regs up to $50nl but may have issues with the rake but I'm in striking distance of profitable at $50nl (an no, I've never played it, but I've seen it and know people who play it and have been around poker for quite a while). My problem? I'm not rolled for it because I can't/won't put in the hands without tilting, I could just deposit it but if I can't win my way to those stakes I probably shouldn't be playing them.
Currently sitting at $25nl and when I'm not on my game (at least half of the time) $10nl.
I know the obvious sollution to all of this is to just play live but there are serious advantages to playing online. Besides, so far I've been unable to satisfactorily beat online poker, I don't like not being able to do stuff, there's pride involved.
All of the online play is 6max, live is FR but kinda plays like 6max a lot of the time and I go between TAG and LAG, spend more time LAG though (which I think I do reasonably well to be honest).
BRM is already at a nitty 30BI minimum to play a certain stake 100BI maximum after which I'll no longer allow myself to play it.
So anyway, what are the sollutions?
Play tighter?
Play more mechanically (write up ranges that I have to follow)?
Learn to play poker?
Any other ideas?
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Btw how much does boredom figure into your tilt equation? If you have'nt seen a decent hand in awhile, how many orbits will you wait before you abandon a table or start loosening up?