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ph0n3_j4ck

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So, I'm trying to get better at poker, but I just can't seem to get any better. Here's one of my sessions playing a cash game on BCP. I've been testing out a lot of different things that I have been reading too. Thank God, I was running a little bit good this session. Like I could just as easily LOSE with the same stats, thats why I'm asking.

Games Won: won 23 of 161 (14%)
Win/Loss: won $8.28
Raise/Call Ratio: 0.3 (15 raises, 44 calls)
Call/Fold Ratio: 0.3 (44 calls, 134 folds)
Bet/Check Ratio: 0.7 (23 bets, 33 checks)
Flops: saw 40 of 161 (24%)

Any suggestions?
 
dudemanstan

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So, I'm trying to get better at poker, but I just can't seem to get any better. Here's one of my sessions playing a cash game on BCP. I've been testing out a lot of different things that I have been reading too. Thank God, I was running a little bit good this session. Like I could just as easily LOSE with the same stats, thats why I'm asking.

Games Won: won 23 of 161 (14%)
Win/Loss: won $8.28
Raise/Call Ratio: 0.3 (15 raises, 44 calls)
Call/Fold Ratio: 0.3 (44 calls, 134 folds)
Bet/Check Ratio: 0.7 (23 bets, 33 checks)
Flops: saw 40 of 161 (24%)

Any suggestions?
Well your doing better then me. Is there a program you use that keeps up with your stats you post here? if so how can i get it? Thanks.
 
aero87

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I think it is the stats button in the BCP client when you are at a table.
 
AugustWest

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The only way for us to tell what is going on is by posting hands in the analysis section.
You should also get a HUD/Tracker so we can see total stats rather than just a session.
 
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So, I'm trying to get better at poker, but I just can't seem to get any better. Here's one of my sessions playing a cash game on BCP. I've been testing out a lot of different things that I have been reading too. Thank God, I was running a little bit good this session. Like I could just as easily LOSE with the same stats, thats why I'm asking.

Games Won: won 23 of 161 (14%)
Win/Loss: won $8.28
Raise/Call Ratio: 0.3 (15 raises, 44 calls)
Call/Fold Ratio: 0.3 (44 calls, 134 folds)
Bet/Check Ratio: 0.7 (23 bets, 33 checks)
Flops: saw 40 of 161 (24%)

Any suggestions?
not that this is understandable, but let me try to make sense out of this mess:

You played at least 24% of hands... if this is full ring, this is too much. If it is 6max, it may be closer to being "good", but still more than you should.
You won 23 of the 40 hands you saw a flop, which is quite good, possibly showing you ran good.

the betting stats are almost completely unusable, since they compile all streets of all hands, but seeing that you only raised 15 times total, that is bad. even if all of them were preflop, that is still a pre-flop raise stat of 9%, which is far from enough if you plan to play 24% of hands.
 
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on second thought, maybe there is more i can extract from that.

161 hands
you folded 134 times (not all of them preflop, as we know)
won 23 hands
meaning you lost 4 hands at showdown.
we don't know how many hands you won at showdown, and how many just because people folded when you bet at some point in the hand, so let's guess here: i am going to go with half, although that is likely to be too few for the SD hands. 12 hands won at SD, 11 won before that. the ratio of hands you won at SD to hands you lost at SD is 12:4, or 75%. that number is way too high. it means that if you bet more often on the river, you will probably win a lot more.

121 folds pre-flop. assuming you would not limp (a.k.a. call) and then fold to a raise (a brave assumption, i know - but i am an optimist), let's see what else we can come up with.

you were first to act (or checked to) after the flop 56 times, counting all streets, 23 bets and 33 checks. not first to act facing a bet... this can only be an estimate... but you had 13 folds, and somewhere in the vicinity of 19 calls (some 25 calls are taken by pre-flop actions, but i guess you could have seen free flops sometimes from the BB). all in all, it seems you play too much with your own cards without a regard for the position you are in. again, you should be raising much more often, especially in late position - the dealer/button and the cut-off (position right before the dealer).

again going by the above assumption of 12 SD hands won and 4 lost, that would require at least 48 postflop actions by you (out of the total of 88 actions you took). obviously if you checked and then called a bet, this number would go up. actually, forget that, i don't think i can come up with meaningful explanations of those numbers without too much conjecture.

all in all - you are playing too passively. learn to bet and raise more aggressively, and you will be much more successful. also, play fewer hands. we know they look pretty, but there is no need to play any hand that you would not be willing to raise with.
 
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im in a $10 on Demand Freeroll now, 2nd place with 27 players left of 686.
my stats are 25-95 (26%)
12 raises, 66 calls(0.2)
66calls, 66 folds(1.0)

i dont understand how the ratio math works. Can someone clarify this please!
 
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