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I was playing my 6-max session today and at the very beginning I had lost my whole buy-in with a set against a full house

Anyhow, it goes like this

Everybody folds to me and I raise (3x) in the cutoff with Kc 6c and get called by the big blind
The flop is 6d 7d 3c
Villain checks and I bet 2BB, he flats. The turn is 6h and he then makes a pot sized bet, I raise and he 3-bets. At this point I'm not sure what to do, I highly doubt he's got that straight and even then I think he should be more cautious when the board pairs. I could be up against an A 6 at this point, but I see people at the micros going crazy with their weak sets and also try to "slow play" their monsters. I mean seriously, I once was playing in an unraised 3-handed pot from the BB and made a mid pair on a king-high flop. The opponent with Aces checked the flop, made a 1BB bet on the turn and flatted my 2BB bet on the river. Aces were the the last hand I thought I'd see, so I decided to ship all in. He calls and shows 6s 3s. Of course, I accepted my loss and went on, but I really couldn't help, but get the feeling that I might repeat this mistake over and over. Is this a cooler or can it be avoided?
 
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... After reading the play ....I would say ... if you did not play with trash as K6s you would not end up in such situation. Secondly in such limits you have to be ready so crazy players and weird ..call>call>AI staff.... My advice do not play trash hands and tight is really right ...Good luck bro
 
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Suited king is a good open in late position when it's folded to you at 6-max, isn't it? Maybe I should tighten up to raising K9s or better though.

What I'm asking here is for general advice as well. For example what if this was a situation when I had A10 and the board is something like 10 10 9 while the villain holds 10 9. No way am I getting away from that hand. I have to pay him off in such a situation.
 
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Check raising the turn was not a good move. I mean it could have been justified had the opponent bets ridiculously small on the turn but with a possible straight out there and the opponent bets pot ... dats looks strong. Still it would be a tough decision on the river but you might have lost less money.

The best way to play this is raise pre, check flop, call turn, fold to a massive river bet or call if small value bet
 
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Yes this could be avoided. Don't 3 bet with hands like that. If anyone calls you and you get a flop like that, you will alway be in the same situation. You could be the guy with the Ax or top pair in your hand waiting for someone to 3x raise with k6 why do you want to be the guy with k6?
 
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A beginning player will find it very hard to fold after raising pot on the turn with trips and being reraised all-in. Trips can be quite mesmerizing! Your mistake was probably ignoring the straight draw and betting anyways. Better to wait and see if he raisess and if he does then call relatively decent sized bets but not go all in. Of course, decisions also depend on how you are doing stackwise....if you are shortstacked you should not call any raises on the turn with a straight draw on the board. But then again, being shortstacked may impel you to go all-in on the turn rather than just bet pot so at that point you would already be stuck anyways...

If you are well funded, stackwise, then you can take the risk of calling his all in with the expectation that he may have completed his straight or will on the river. But the straight draw should really be telling you "DON'T DO IT!" Sets get beat by Fulls all the time....get used to it..lol
 
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Suited king is a good open in late position when it's folded to you at 6-max, isn't it? Maybe I should tighten up to raising K9s or better though.

What I'm asking here is for general advice as well. For example what if this was a situation when I had A10 and the board is something like 10 10 9 while the villain holds 10 9. No way am I getting away from that hand. I have to pay him off in such a situation.

It's still a little loose of a steal, even at 6-max.

General advice is hard to give in a situation like this because it is so villain and board dependant.

If the board is TT9 and you have AT then I would figure you are probably ahead. Some of the reason for that is if someone has a small pair they may still think they are good and T's make up a reasonable portion of an opponents range if they play too loose (like QT, JT, KT, T9). So there are a lot of hands that we have equity against.

The BEST general advice I can give you is not to steal with K6 in the cutoff.
 
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The board is kind of wet to some extent. Two of a suit and a straight draw in 6-max. When that six peels off and he makes a pot size bet, the person is representing a six. This is to some extent a judgement call for you and I can see a fold here (mind you, I would have probably tank folded depending on the raise knowing this and a bit about the opponent) . But when your opponent is representing so strong, you can have just called on the turn and kept the pot a bit smaller because people can flat with two pair and when they hit the full house that they'll bet. If they shove on the river, you must probably fold (although calling I see why), because big bets are usually value bets.
 
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Your bets are somewhat small.
Anyway, scenario above, you have to pay him off.
If tournaments, no regrets but if this is cash game with deep stack, I have to think hard here.
 
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Well, thanks for all your answers guys. When I look at it now I think I should've folded the hand, and if I run into the same situation which is highly unlikely as I tightened my range and would only steal blinds with K6 on the button and depending on the blinds themselves I will most likely throw away my hand unless I'm against a shortstack.

In my opinion micro stakes are very hard to play as the skills of people differ a lot. You can meet great players out there who play solid, good poker and you can see complete nutjobs who shove all-in with mid pair in a raised pot and play with 4BB stacks.
 
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flop bet was too small
check raising the turn never gets worse to fold and puts you in the cage when better hands raise, you should never have raised in that spot, the board texture was so dry that raising there is not accomplishing anything

you also compounded your error by shipping it, once again shipping in that spot doesn't really accomplish much because only better hands can call you
 
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Suited king is a good open in late position when it's folded to you at 6-max, isn't it? Maybe I should tighten up to raising K9s or better though.

What I'm asking here is for general advice as well. For example what if this was a situation when I had A10 and the board is something like 10 10 9 while the villain holds 10 9. No way am I getting away from that hand. I have to pay him off in such a situation.


I don't like opening the hand with that... I'd rather be calling a limper with it or a single raiser on the dealer button. It's amazing how many times I get paid off when I flush against ppl with prem hands or TPTK... Even Jxs hands work.
 
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Yeah why on earth are we opening here? And why are we betting this flop? When you say you didn't know what to do on the turn, you should have realised and I think you maybe knew you were beat?
 
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Better pot sizing here would be appropriate, you lost much for your raises and re raises that you could save if you just flat called everything, still its hard to fold your stuff but should played it more carefully.
 
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If we pretend we don't know what happens.

He's either trying to purely bluff u (A lot of regs players at this level don't bluff all that much) We do get randoms who will showup with ATC

OR he has extreme strength like a fullhouse. (not too often but it happens enough to be watchful for it)


Also think what can we beat and what would could our opponent be playing here?

Pockets are probably most likely scenario, and he's bluff catching you.
Smaller chance he's slow playing High pocket pair. I mean JJ+
He may even have a 6 but we have a decent kicker which will play.


We have quite a bit in our range that beats him but he has hands like 77 or 33 (which if he's not bluffing I put him on).

This is when having a read on your opponent is quite handy. Is he a fish? A reg? or solid player or loose... But either of these guys will end up getting a book but the question is how often! If we can be good here most the time again fish we can often push and if we end up beat meh so be it, but next time we get em... But tight players we need to make sure we get away from these hands because our bankroll will get hurt bad.


You'd have to call the turn I believe and hope for a miracle river card. I think folding to a 3bet raise is weak play against weak/fishy players. We can still get a miracle card on the river unless he's got pockets 7s then we are drawing dead worst case scenario.

But simple we don't hit our K or get 6 on the river we check/fold


But coolers happen a lot of the time, you just have to go with it and just be wary when certain ppl reraise you because it does mean fold fold fold unless you are drawing to the nuts or have the best hand.
Also make a note that he called you even though the board paired up as well and he'll pay you off. He'll make a good target in the future and someone you might want to chase after knowing he can't fold himself. As long as you have decent odds to make your hand you should be +ev against him.


Best advice to give as well... If you lose a hand.. .MAke it +ev by noting everything that you did right or wrong. And what did your opponent do right or wrong?... You have information and you bought it with your money USE IT!
 
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